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post #21 of 47
4/3/05 at 5:39am
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Anyone found other manufacturers?

Perhaps we need to take a second test system with very different specs to see if the ratio changes? I see that warranty can be quite a different price at some of these vendors...
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post #22 of 47
4/4/05 at 6:03am

Other manufacturers

UK manufacturers/resellers include mesh http://www.meshcomputers.com/updated..._pci_range.htm (on the right)

Rock http://www.rockdirect.com/notebooks/xtremeti_cons.htm

AJP (already mentioned) http://www.ajp.co.uk/?show=configure&id=D900T

Npt found any others yet, and can't be bothered to check prices yet.
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post #23 of 47
4/4/05 at 10:57am
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Thanks, they have been added.
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post #24 of 47
4/4/05 at 7:02pm
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Found another one in the UK: Savrow. Its 1000 POUNDS more expensive than the other one. Looks to me as if savrow wants to be buddies with Voodoo in the US...
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post #25 of 47
4/6/05 at 11:17pm

rook

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Originally Posted by rookwood
This is interesting due to the fact that I have been reviewing laptops for the past several weeks in search of a workstation capable unit. I have previously had, with no complaints whatsoever, Dell Inspirons.

However, I recently switched from 2D CAD software to 3D and the number ONE priority is an OpenGL graphics card. I have decided against the Dell M70, primarily since it cannot be configured with dual 7,200 RPM drives.

The contenders, to date, are:Eurocom, Hypersonic and Boxx. Even though Boxx deals only with workstation PC's and notebooks, they offer only a one year warranty on their notebook. For some reason, the Eurocom is extremely more expensive than the others, excepting Voodoo.

So far, I am leaning towards the Hypersonic and can get it fully loaded with dual hard drives and with 2 dual layer DVD units and 4G RAM for approx. $6,000. The only issue I have is that I am not familiar with either Eurocam or Hypersonic.

I am dragging my feet since it has been reported that the 100G 7,200 RPM drives are just around the corner. Also I spoke to an INTEL rep last week about the P4 vs. PM processor and was advised that I should stay with the P4. She wouldn't commit to a date, other than SOON, but told me that INTEL will be releasing a Centrino version of the P4.

Does anyone know if Hypersonic is reputable with good service? Contrary to what I have read on the forums, I have had nothing but great service from Dell for 5 years on three machines.
I have recently purchased an M70. I only did 2D in school and now I do Catia. Catia is by far the most comprehensive PLM software on the planet. I considered those 17" monsters and decided against it. If you need a great GFX with OpenGL, then the M70 is for you. If you think you need a good GFX card for AutoCAD, SOlid Works, Inventor or solid edge, maybe. If you use Catia V5, Pro-e, UG, then yes, you need an excellent GFX card. Quadro is the way to go if you do 3D MCAD. Trust me, I've been thru them all.
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post #26 of 47
4/6/05 at 11:31pm
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Iteresting developments... we'll see what comes out.
In any case I have a very strong preference towards AMD64 anyway. Somehow I just 'like' AMD better. because they started small and through hard proper work have beaten Intel on so many levels. All the others back in the 486 days, NextGen, Cyrix, etc., never made it through....

I am so so sorry the Clevo D900T is not available with an AMD64 yet. It's supposed to be out in a while and be called the D900K, but what is 'a while'?
a while = probably 3 - 8 monthes, ...........i am getting ready to get a desktop instead soon.............screw clevo
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post #27 of 47
4/8/05 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by xjarhed
Quadro is the way to go if you do 3D MCAD. Trust me, I've been thru them all.
So why go for a dell M70 then? The quadro's can be had on clevo's as well you know, and several other machines too. Besides, a quadro is just a geforce with different drivers, yuo vcan just reflash the bios or use a forceware driver and voila.
And a M70 is a centrino which sucks at rendering.
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post #28 of 47
4/9/05 at 2:29am

exception

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Originally Posted by exception
So why go for a dell M70 then? The quadro's can be had on clevo's as well you know, and several other machines too. Besides, a quadro is just a geforce with different drivers, yuo vcan just reflash the bios or use a forceware driver and voila.
And a M70 is a centrino which sucks at rendering.
Catia V5 has realtime rendering capabilities that are exceptionally good. I have no complaints. Yeah, the Quadro is like the GEForce, but not just the drivers.... Quadro's have more precision that the GEForce's. They are more stable, hence the gaming is not as good...
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post #29 of 47
4/9/05 at 10:38am
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The differences are all in the drivers, theres no hardware difference between a geforce and a quadro. But it will take you significant amounts of time and great trouble trying to make a quadro out of your geforce. You can do it the other way around as well...
anyway so why the m70 then? oits still just a centrino, not a p4..
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post #30 of 47
4/12/05 at 5:11pm
Hi.

I am looking to purchase 12 D900Ts or equivalent
I did not see M-tech(http://www.m-techlaptops.com/) on your list so I am concerned, has anyone had experince with them? Buying out of Canada.

Just looking at the configurtion that we want - Most with the upper config, it looks like I will have a portable OVEN and if not 3+ fans to keep it cool.

Support is a huge issue (min 3 year warranty).
Let me know what your thoughts are.

Thanks
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post #31 of 47
4/13/05 at 7:44pm
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Well, I have no clue, but Ill add that reseller to the list.
Meanwhile I found another one myself that actually seems to be the cheapest of em all. This one is rumored to have pretty good service too.
www.xtremenotebooks.com
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post #32 of 47
4/16/05 at 1:28am
I have FINALLY made the decision between Boxx and Hypersonic. First let me state that portability and battery life are non issues, as well as price. Since most of the Clevo D900T's can be configured similarly, regardless of reseller, I was looking for a company with some, if not all, workstation expertise. At something just short of $7k, service/tech support/warranty are KEY to me.

It will be a sad day for me to leave Dell, as I have had a wonderful relationship with them for over 6 years. Just yesterday morning, I broke the 'O' key on my keyboard, called Dell after lunch and received a call from my secretary at 2:00 PM this afternoon that I had a package from Dell waiting for me in the Lobby. I truly will miss that and I could go on with similar stories about Dell from me and my friends. However, I don't think the M70 will work for me, due to the fact of the PM processor and 2G RAM limit. With the P4 660 and Windows XP 64 due to release at the end of the month, I will be better positioned for several years to come.

I was leaning toward Boxx, due to the fact they only build workstations. The downside is a 1 year warranty with no options. I could elect, however, to get a personal insurance policy, but why?

Hypersonic is primarily into gaming, of which I have NO interest (sorry guys). BUT...I get the same configuration with a great NO DEAD PIXEL policy, 3 year Accidental Damage Policy and a 3 year Extended Warranty for about the same price.

I have wrestled with this endlessly for the last few weeks and realized that, even tough I couldn't find much on the forums about Hypersonic the company, that this maybe isn't all bad. If there were real issues with their service and tech support, I suppose I would read about it on the forums.


To be ordered from Hypersonic:
FUSION EX7: Mobile Workstation
Fusion EX7 in Silver with Graphite Accents
Logitech diNovo™ Media Desktop Bluetooth Cordless Keyboard and Mouse
3.60GHz Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 660 (with EM64T)
Intel® 915P+ICH6 LGA-775 Mobile Motherboard (EX7)
1024MB PC4200 DDR2-533 SODIMM (Corsair or Crucial)
1024MB PC4200 DDR2-533 SODIMM (Corsair or Crucial)
1024MB PC4200 DDR2-533 SODIMM (Corsair or Crucial)
1024MB PC4200 DDR2-533 SODIMM (Corsair or Crucial)
Nvidia Quadro FX Go 1400 PCI-Express 256MB DDR3
Built-in TV Tuner with Remote Control for EX7
Built-in ATA Hardware RAID Controller
60GB 7200rpm Ultra ATA Hard Drive w/ 8MB Cache
60GB 7200rpm Ultra ATA Hard Drive w/ 8MB Cache
8X DVD ± R/W Drive Dual Layer w/ DVD
8X DVD ± R/W Drive Dual Layer w/ DVD
7 in 1 Flash Media Card Reader Bay
17" WSXGA+ 1680x1050 Wide-Screen Display w/ Super Clear Glossy Surface
Guaranteed No Dead or Partially-Lit Pixels
PCMCIA Sound Blaster® Audigy® 2 ZS Notebook
Plantronics DSP-500 Digitally-Enhanced Headphone/Microphone Set
Integrated 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Internal 802.11b+g 54Mbps Wireless Mini PCI Network Adapter & Bluetooth
Integrated V.92 56K Fax/Data Modem
MS Windows XP Professional CD & Manual SP2
External USB 1.44MB Floppy Drive
Targus Platinum Deluxe Case for 17" Laptops
110V/220V Autoswitch AC Adapter for Aviator EX7
Microsoft Office 2003 Professional Edition
3 Year Accidental Damage Protection (System and LCD)
3 Year Platinum Warranty with 24/7 Toll-Free Tech Support
$6,870 cost including shipping
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post #33 of 47
4/17/05 at 5:40pm
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Oh really, I'd never even consider that.
My setup is very like that of yours, and I only run professional CAD on it. Most of these resellers offer fine warranty, so why go for Boxx or Hypersonic? I really don;t get why you really want to waste so much money. But hey, give me the cash, I'll buy one for you and one for me for the same price, with the same warranty, and will make you a nice Boxx or Hypersonic sticker myself. It will give you in the end the exact same product.
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post #34 of 47
4/17/05 at 6:06pm
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=10193

Doesn't this whole thread violate forum rules?
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post #35 of 47
4/17/05 at 6:26pm
I just ordered my sager 4880 two weeks ago, and now I see xtremenotebooks.com and I could have saved almost 200 dollars :-(.
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post #36 of 47
4/18/05 at 8:48am
exception;

I understand what you are saying and you are probably correct. However, I am in a postition where I must choose experience/service over cost. I am somewhat out of my element here in dealing with these companies I know nothing about, except Dell and Boxx, both of which have good reputations for workstation computers and service.

When I go to a website, say Sager, Voodoo, Alienware and I don't see options I would like to have, ie P4 660 and 4G RAM, I must assume they are not available on the Clevo D900T laptop from that source.

Run a comparison on the Sager with options available on their website, then go to Boxx or Hypersonic and configure that same unit. I think you'll see that they are pretty close in cost. Sager, Voodoo and the rest only offer the 5xx P4 processors. This seems to be critical to me if I want to position myself to take advantage of 64 bit technology in the near future.

BTW: If I have broken ANY forum rules, it was done so out of my ignorance and I apologize.
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post #37 of 47
4/18/05 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by mawst95
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=10193

Doesn't this whole thread violate forum rules?
why would it?
Actually, I didn't know the forum was owned by PC Torque, and they look like one of the best resellers. but in the rules they state this:
"Though PC Torque LLC. is a Sager reseller and admins the forums, we welcome and respect all brands of laptops and notebooks. We welcome anyone legit who can put out a fair review whether negative or positive. If you have any questions regarding PC Torque policies, pricing or anything personal such as that email us, that's not what the boards are for. "

So, I don't see why it would be against forum policy.
Remember that buying from PC torque is not always a good idea if you are in another country, like I am, with shipping, warranty and import duties and all, and Im sure they will agree!
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post #38 of 47
4/18/05 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by rookwood
exception;

I understand what you are saying and you are probably correct. However, I am in a postition where I must choose experience/service over cost. I am somewhat out of my element here in dealing with these companies I know nothing about, except Dell and Boxx, both of which have good reputations for workstation computers and service.
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When I go to a website, say Sager, Voodoo, Alienware and I don't see options I would like to have, ie P4 660 and 4G RAM, I must assume they are not available on the Clevo D900T laptop from that source.
Sager does have the P660. Most others too. I saw quite a few with 4GB actually, Discountlaptops too I think...
And you can always call, and they will undoubtedly also have that resource.

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Run a comparison on the Sager with options available on their website, then go to Boxx or Hypersonic and configure that same unit. I think you'll see that they are pretty close in cost.
Huh?! Look at the main first post! That is exactly what I did, I compared an identical system and put the price behind all the machines. The Boxx is almost double the price of the Sager!

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Sager, Voodoo and the rest only offer the 5xx P4 processors.
Really, nonsense, almost all offer the 6xx series. here:
http://www.pctorque.com/builder.php?type=78

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This seems to be critical to me if I want to position myself to take advantage of 64 bit technology in the near future.
sure, so do I, so Im ordering one, but not from Boxx or hypersonic!
Remember that these 'exclusive' companies are almost always much smaller than for instance sager. Smaller companies are not always better! Sager has full fledged factory services. If you want quality AND a good price AND the best service, I'd go to Sager themselves, or to one of their DIRECT partners such as PCtorque. Boxx and Hypersonic probably ship the over from overseas and have thus less strong ties with Clevo.

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BTW: If I have broken ANY forum rules, it was done so out of my ignorance and I apologize.
I think you didn't, and I wouldn't know which one : )
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post #39 of 47
4/18/05 at 1:44pm
To add to what Exception said (which were all true):

The current Clevo D900T Clones (Sager, Hypersonic, Voodoo, Boxx, etc..)mobo/chipset setup only allows a maximum of 2.8 GB of RAM to be read anyways.

So getting 4 GB of RAM would be a waste of money since it wouldn't be able to read all 4 GB of them.
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post #40 of 47
4/24/05 at 9:39pm
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Well, I'm getting a Cyber-System!
Yaay!

Ill inform you guys of the quality of service. so far so good, but they don't really speak any english.
Odered system:

Cyber System P17
SystemFarbe: Weiss (full body)
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 660 (64 Bit!)
Video: nVidia GeForce Go 6800 Rev.2 256MB PCIExpress
ArbeitsSpreicher: 2048MB S0-DIMM DDR2/533 Arbeitsspeicher (4 Module)
FestPlatte 1: 80GB SATA
Festplatte 2: 80GB SATA
CD/DVD: DVD±RW Slimline Multinormbrenner (8x Speed, DoubleLayer)
Zweites CD/DVD: None
Wireless: WLAN 802.11g & Bluetooth (WLAN 54MBit, MiniPCI)
ISDN-Karte: Nein
Webcam: Webcam intern für CYBER SYSTEM
TV-Tuner: TV-Tuner für P17 intern
Maus: none
Tastatur: Tastatur (englischer Schriftsatz, Modell 47a)
Notebooktasche 17"
Kein Betriebssystem
Garantie Standard (36 Monate)

2902,50 Euro, without tax. = about 3600 dollars. Yes more expensive that PC Torque and the others, but I won;t have any shipping costs half across the world and they're reasonably close, so Itll get here fast.
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