Originally Posted by h00ligan
i dont' really feel that the g5 is behind the curve at all. There is so much more to take into consideration than just processor speed, bus speed, etc. The architecture of the 2 chips is completely different.. what about beign ahead of the curve on 64 bit processing?
what about not needing to restart due to crashes, or actually being able to BURN that dvd while surfing the web without worrying about making a coaster.. these are other considerations.
the g4 is getting old.. i can't argue with that.. i would think september for a g5, but ANYONE who speculates is just guessing.
I will say though that after using xp for 4 months agaon all the time (and i am an mcse and cna - and they aren't paper certs) i cant wait to get the hell off windows nd back to mac. So much so that even tho my situation doesn't permit me to buy a g4 laptop right now, i'll probably switch to linux anyway.
SO there hasn't been any rumors or anything. Dissapointing. I was really expecting, after a while not looking, to hear something about the G6 chips, which I kinda expect to be in notebooks. I think they'll skip the G5 if they can't figure out how to fit it in/cool it. That really is disapointing...they are making Apple fans choose between love and performance in a large budget item purchase. That's a bad idea...
I agree there is more to performance than chip speed and stuff...but on every level their RAM is under-spec at the moment, and RAM is where most of ur real world performance comes in. Including their slower drives (they don't offer a 10,000rpm drive at all, period), slower RAM, lack of hyperthreading/speedstep/execute disable features in the processor, I dunno where they would be making up the performance gap... *shrugs*
Yeah, I agree that the OS is a major buff, but here's a breakdown of laptop technology by price right now:
17 inch, 1440x900 res
1.67 Ghz processor
512 SDRAM 333mhz
ATI 9700, 128 mb
100 GB, @ 5400 rpm
Apple Care protection plan
Dell XPS Gen 2
17 inch, 1900x1200
2 Ghz processor
512 DDR2 RAM
256 MB 6800 Ultra
70 GB, @ 7200 RPM
Dell XPS Extended Warranty
$2,636 right now, $3,036 retail.
There is no field in which the apple is not behind in technology hardware-wise. You might say "Sure!, You're comparing an almost 2 year old system with the latest PC hardware!" Well...the prices are the same, right? Both 17 inch notebooks? *shrugs* That Apple still uses 333mhz SDRAM and doesn't even offer the 7200rpm drives are amazing to me....that it tries to pawn off that system at that price is even more so.
But, admittedly the G4 is old-tech, so let's take a look at the G5, pimped out desktop unit:
20' flat pannel (smallest u can get? no res stats on the site either)
Dual 2.5 Ghz processors, 64mb capability (couldn't find a Fsb speed?)
1 Gb PC 3200 DDR 400mhz
Nvidea 6800 Ultra DLL (whoa mama!)
250 GB, @ 7200rpm SATA drive
Apple Protection Plan
This drool-worthy system is yours for a meager $5,676.00
So, obviously this opens up the pricerange for comparison to a PC model...with many vendors to choose from
Hmmm...well, dual processor desktops are hard to find right now...trying to find a perfect apples to apples comparsion didn't really work. Dual-Core processors and 64 bit are on the rise for intel, the best direct comparsion will be this in a month or so: http://reviews.cnet.com/Alienware_Ar...05.html?tag=mp
or an even better price solution will be out from Dell soon, in their XPS Gen 5 desktop, which will have dual-cpu and dual-gpu on 64mb chips.
Even on Athlon systems, whose FX chips will blow away the G5, you are more likely to find dual-GPUs than dual-processors. For this comparison, I feel confident this system from Alienware could more than keep up:
Alienware Aurora ALX
Athlon FX-55, 1600mhz fsb, 64mb
Dual GeForce 6800 GT PCI Express 256MB DDR3
250GB Serial ATA 7,200 RPM w/8MB Cache
3 year Alienware protection plan
So, I think it is more than fair to say Apple is behind the hardware times...
Again, really not trying to flame Apple, I frikin love some of their stuff, but their excellent OS has been carrying their asses for years, and I am kinda tired of rooting for the underdog. If they can't "hack" keeping up with the technology, then they should by all means just re-package PC components and make their software and OS just an option. I feel like I'm waiting for the Orlando Magic to win another NBA playoff or something..."C'mon, guys! I been waiting long enough! Frikin pick it up already!"
Also, even the OS argument may not be too viable. Windows is taking it's sweet time with "Longhorn", but it will be here soon and I look forward to good things from it.
Buying new Apples at this point is like paying Mercedes Benz prices for a Hyundai...I love ya, Apple, but I'm just not biting.