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post #21 of 109
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Gantula,

I got the 6800 U directly from dell, called the parts dept and asked for a quote and availability on the vid card. Quoted at $396, parts rep found a discount code and shaved $100 off the price. Ordered it on Wed, got it on my door by Fri.
post #22 of 109
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sonicwind,

Actually the DELL BIOS reports the card as "Unknown Graphics Adapter", however it reports the Card BIOS version just fine, sound odd? Well thats because DELL flashes the 6800 U with a tweaked version of the BIOS. So my guess is, if I flash the card with "my own" tweaked BIOS its should at least let me override the default clock speeds.
post #23 of 109
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5150 joker,

I was hoping that a return would be my last option, still got 30 day warranty on it. Basically that the reason why I decided to post my dilema, hoping to avoid the return
post #24 of 109
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sonicwind,

I got 9300 for a couple of reasons, #1 I was able to apply a 35% discount code on my config witha 6800, WUXGA, 1gb ram, 2ghz cpu, 60gb 72k rpm HD, which made the final price come to $2100, oh and I got a $150 mail in rebate. So basically less than $2k is hard to beat. #2 XPS2 est shipping was 4/4, when I ordered the 9300 on 3/7, I got it on 3/12.
post #25 of 109
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Originally Posted by fredmerlo
5150 joker,

I was hoping that a return would be my last option, still got 30 day warranty on it. Basically that the reason why I decided to post my dilema, hoping to avoid the return
Well good luck with finding a solution. If you want a copy of the modded bios I have I'll give it to you, just know that it won't do you any good without a working flash utility.
post #26 of 109
i wanted to see if you've made any progress with getting the ultra card to function properly in the 9300?
post #27 of 109
How did you get around the northbridge heatsink?
post #28 of 109
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Originally Posted by joseyu
I wonder would flashing the 9300 with the XPS2 BIOS would work? This is a little risky, so try at own risk.
nope it would say unsupported system

you the first one who's trying that good luck!
post #29 of 109
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Originally Posted by fredmerlo
sonicwind,

A power issue is a possiblity altho I think not probable. Normally when a video card is not getting enough power, the system simply tends to be unstable, hangs, blue screens, doesnt wanna boot etc.

I've been running the system since Friday, playing HL2, UT2k4, D3 without at hitch, problem is the card is not performing as should (slightly worse performance than with 6800).

My guess, MB BIOS doesnt know its got a 6800 U, Vid Card BIOS is underclocked by MB. Possible solution, manually overclock Vid Card at BIOS level using a tweaked/hacked BIOS as posted in http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=74653

However seems like no one has had much luck with tweaked 6800 U BIOS.

Other than the above thread, know of anyone else tweaking 6800 U BIOS?
The bolded part is true on desktops but not true on laptops. The GPU in a laptop can be throttled and one feature that was present in previous i8200 was that if a lower rating power adapter such as the one used in the 8000 were plugged in, it would throttle down and limit the system from going beyond a certain frequency. The reason being that on a laptop, a part may die and will probably take a few parts with it other than itself (given the way things are packed) so this is a big risk. This is probably what is causing the problem here as although a BIOS flash would allow higher clock speeds, you cannot even reach the stock speeds. If you can get the 130W AC adapter from a friend, it would be fair to say that there's a good chance you can get it running at full speed.

One thing I would like to ask is how well the sink fitted in? This would be a useful mod for those of us who cannot get the XPS2 due to availability
post #30 of 109
so, will you try buying an xps2 psu and plugging it into the 9300? if this works, i know i'll be buying a 6800 ultra for my birthday...
post #31 of 109
Did you get this working? Trying the 130 watt AC adapter seems far fetched. Worth a shot though. I would think, and I thought I read somewhere, that the inverter inside the laptops would be different. Would make sense to me that the XPS2 would need a larger one.
post #32 of 109
Yah how do you change the internal power supply in the laptops? i dont see thsi anywhere inside.
post #33 of 109
I looked over the service guide too for xps and 9300 and it doesn't list a power supply.
post #34 of 109
The power supply for a laptop is the external AC adapter.
post #35 of 109
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Originally Posted by Stomper
The power supply for a laptop is the external AC adapter.
Supply, yes but there is a dedicated internal power circuit for the battery and the like and in case the XPS2 and 9300 should be identical in this as they use the exact same battery. On the other hand, I don't see why dell would make two different (totally different that is) mobo for both the 9300 and XPS2 ; I remmeber reading that the 9300's mobo is pretty much identical to the XPS2 except for the fact it's missing a few headers like the led headers.
post #36 of 109
Thread Starter 
I appologize for my delayed response, been busy with work and stuff.

It IS actually a power issue, but no directly realted to the power supply but more to the BIOS itself. Basically on the 9300 the BIOS simply limits the amount of power it will send to the video card based on the card type ( x300, 6800, etc ).

Well as it happens the bios doesnt seem to recognize the 6800 Ultra, it sees it as "Unknown video adapter". When I run 3DMark05 on it and query the system details, 3DMark reports it as a "Generic VGA chipset", even though the drivers recognize it properly as a 6800 Ultra, and it reports the gpu/memory frequencies at 250/680. These freqs are about 30% than the standard 6800 freqs, which makes the 6800 Ultra on 9300 perform less than a standard 6800.

So why the 250/680 frequencies, where did these values come from? Well these are the video BIOS built in defaults for "low power consumption". The card is runing on default low power, because the 9300 BIOS doesnt know how much power it needs to run at full speed.

A 130W power supply would still not do it as the BIOS controls power distribution, besides both the XPS and 9300 use the same 9cell batteries, and Im sure the XPS can run the 6800 Ultra at top speed even while on battery.

On the north bridge heatsink, for testing purposes I left it out. However had the video card mod been successfull, I would have hacked off the heat pipe, the XPS2 has the same heatsink minus the heat pipe extension.

On a final note the 9300 BIOS EPROM is soldered on to the motherboard, so it cant be swapped. So the only other option was to get an XPS2 mb and matching power supply, the end result an XPS2 in the body of a 9300.

Well its been a fun experiment, and sadly it seems like DELL really wants you to spend the extra $1000 to get top of the line gear. Cant blame them they got a business to run, and were trying to hack around their sometimes stupid business decisions.
post #37 of 109
Those clock speeds seem to be the 2D clock speeds to me...the so called low power mode As for the EEPROM being soldered...it's as expected...that socket costs money you know

Also could I ask where exactly you got the info about the bios? Maybe one of us could hack the 9300 BIOSes to include the 6800Go Ultra? Only thing I guess is the XPS2 doesn't run the Ultra at full clocks on battery...no chance
post #38 of 109
fredmerlo, Basically what your're saying is that the 6800 is the only video upgrade one can do on a 9300? I stuck with the X300 for now to buy the system cheap, and was hoping to be able to upgrade to much better cards in the future. If what you say is true, that the soldered BIOS oversees the vid card functionality, then I might be having second thoughts about keeeping this 9300.

Either that, or hopefully Dell updates video card support via BIOS updates.
post #39 of 109
rimshaker: I got a feeling that if Dell decides to sell a better card at a future date, this will be fixed by an upgraded / new BIOS release in the future
post #40 of 109
How many pins is the bios. I could unsolder it and resolder in a new one as long as is not a BGA chip.
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