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post #1 of 10
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I will believe this when I see them being sold to the public. The original article has link to a 2 min. mpeg demo but the link does not work.


Original link
http://www-1.ibm.com/press/PressServ...STATUS=publish

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Press releases

IBM And Sanyo Demonstrate Fuel Cell Prototype For ThinkPad Notebooks

New fuel cell technology from SANYO has potential to power standard IBM ThinkPad notebooks for 8 hours


TOKYO and RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, N.C. -- April 11, 2005 -- IBM and SANYO Electric today unveiled initial plans for a prototype micro direct methanol fuel cell system for IBM ThinkPad notebooks. Leveraging SANYO's latest advancements in fuel cells that increase the longevity of notebook batteries, IBM and SANYO jointly developed a basic design of a fuel cell power source. Based on the design, the companies developed a prototype fuel cell system that could supply up to 8 hours of power per cartridge on current and future ThinkPad models.

Unlike other prototypes that require a modified design to outfit fuel cell batteries, SANYO's system was designed to be compatible with most current ThinkPad models [1] without the need to alter the notebook design -- demonstrating the resiliency of the ThinkPad notebook's internal power architecture. The fuel cell system also includes an auxiliary bay IBM's Ultrabay Slim Battery to supplement peak power consumption for business applications. In addition, the auxiliary bay could be used to make the power supply even more versatile by charging an UltraBay Slim Battery.

The fuel cell system could enable ThinkPad notebooks to run intensive business applications such as multimedia, graphics and computation programs, while performing tasks such as security updates and scheduled maintenance without draining PC battery power. These capabilities could provide added stability for increased productivity, access to information and customer service.

"There are a number of vendors developing fuel cell battery prototypes for PCs and mobile devices, but the combination of IBM's first-class ThinkPad notebooks and SANYO's leadership position in the technology will accelerate research and development in the field," said Peter Hortensius, vice president, IBM Personal Computing Division. "We do not focus simply on the 'wow factor' of fuel cells -- we see it as a powerful enabler that could support a wide variety of business applications. These companies are collaborating to help carry ThinkPad notebooks to the next generation of power supplies, while supporting the highest levels of business productivity."

The IBM PC Division's ThinkPad development team has focused on new behavioral usage models for fuel cells in mobile computing, such as docking stations used for office 'hoteling' concepts and the deployment of notebook computers in locations remote from traditional power sources.

"SANYO as the world technology leader in rechargeable batteries, has been conducting research and development of fuel cells. I am proud to work in earnest specifically with IBM to create a innovative fuel cell system with the ThinkPad design, the industry standard in business computing," said Mitsuru Homma, Group Executive of SANYO's Power Solutions Group. "This is quite a new concept that utilizes both micro fuel cells and rechargeable batteries. This hybrid system could enable the user to efficiently operate IBM's ThinkPad notebooks for a longer time compared to systems with only a fuel cell whilealso providing the convenience of an AC cordless environment."

The IBM PC Division's research and development of ThinkPad mobile computing technology takes place at the Yamato Laboratory in Kanagawa Prefecture, Japan and at development facilities in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina. After the launch of the new Lenovo Group in the second quarter, 2005, these resources will be joined by Lenovo R&D facilities in Beijing and Shanghai.

SANYO is the world's leading producer of rechargeable batteries, supplying power to mobile phones, notebook PCs and other mobile devices. SANYO's Energy Research Facility is a stronghold for research and development in the mobile energy field. SANYO is building a strong base for the next generation of mobile energy businesses by consistently performing fundamental and application technology research, working with a wide range of mobile energy related technology.
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post #2 of 10
im not lugging that thing around
i wonder if the fuel cells explosive
if -> "drop" oh sh(boom)...
post #3 of 10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pclover8891
im not lugging that thing around
i wonder if the fuel cells explosive
if -> "drop" oh sh(boom)...
Not sure what the weight would be. Should not be explosive or it won't make it onto airplanes.
post #4 of 10
ive read about the fuel cell batteries in popular mechanics before, like a year ago, the battery they were talking about wasn't being mass produced, but it supposedly was a prototype, they didnt show a pic of it, but made a digital image of it, the battery ran on fossil fuel and was like one of those tiny flat coin size battery's and supposedly could run like different electronic devices for a long time, they have like 5 times as much power and charge length of lithium batteries, so i believe it
post #5 of 10
fuel cell's by product is water.. water and electronics dont mix
post #6 of 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by pr50wner
fuel cell's by product is water.. water and electronics dont mix
that's the biggest concern right now, how do you get rid of the water?

I think that for electronic they are talking about methanol fuel cell not hydrogen so it shouldn't be too explosive.

I hope that cardridge are going to be cheap otherwise I don't see it making a big impact. People will rather recharge their lithium-cadmium (with lithium-sulfur around the corner) battery.
post #7 of 10
If you can't just buy bottles of methanol to refill a cartridge yourself, then this is probably going to be too expensive (just like Original Branded inkjet cartridges...).

The note about using the auxiliary battery to supplement power for certain business applications is very worrisome. That says that the fuel cell can't supply enough current on its own to run a laptop at full bore - screen brightness maxed, CPU 100% busy / full speed, and busy disks. Seems like a critical limitation, especially given how few laptops these days have two battery bays. Also, the claim of 8 hour runtime doesn't tell us anything by itself - what is the runtime of that laptop using it's original rechargeable battery? My M6Ne gets around 6 hours with both batteries in, and Asus quotes something like 8-9 hours for this model. It obviously depends on your system configuration, as well as the usage patterns. But if their claim of 8 hours is equivalent to Asus' claim of 8 hours, then it's no improvement at all.
post #8 of 10
Thread Starter 
Was anyone able to open the *.mpeg file at the bottom of the page on the link I gave ? I sent an email to IBM and the replied back that it was working.
post #9 of 10
link worked fine for me.

that fuel cell is bigger than the notebook they're testing it with...
post #10 of 10
Thread Starter 
It's working for me now but was not working yesterday or earlier today. It's basically a docking station. Why not make a big a$$ L-ion battery the same size and last 12 hours.
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