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post #121 of 210
4/21/05 at 5:21pm
the only thing the french are good at is losing wars.
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post #122 of 210
4/21/05 at 7:49pm
hopefully they're good at making Bios files too...
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post #123 of 210
4/21/05 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by drthawhizkid
duey..I agree with your 3rd statement. People are too negative and give up too easy IMHO.
Oh im not trying to be negative or give up... just trying to tell you what hasnt worked so the same mistakes will not be made again, and hopefully noone will have another burnt card like me.

EVERYTHING is possible given the correct variables. This card can be cracked.
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post #124 of 210
4/21/05 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by HULK
the only thing the french are good at is losing wars.
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  • A Frenchman will fight viciously and without regard to his own life if you stand between him and a white flag.
  • Rumor has it that the French don't like bathing. This rumor comes from them smelling.
  • To get with modern times, they have adopted a stance of preemptive surrender.
  • During the cola wars, France was occupied by Pepsi for six months.
  • They like to sell weapons to enemies of America. But come on- what kind of pansies use French weapons?
  • The three most popular Frenchmen in American history are Lafayette, Inspector Clouseau, and Pepe Le Pew.
  • The Eiffel Tower was constructed so that they would have something very tall to wave a white flag from in case of attack.
  • In ancient times, primitive Frenchmen surrendered to thunderstorms.
  • They actually have a military, though what purpose it serves is unknown.
-http://www.thoseshirts.com/imaofr.html
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post #125 of 210
4/21/05 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by HULK
the only thing the french are good at is losing wars.

ROFLMAO....

though i thought is was surrendering....
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post #126 of 210
4/21/05 at 8:54pm
Thread Starter 
Has anyone considered my idea about booting to a workable mr9700 then swapping cards in midst bios flashing. When ready to flash swap cards to bad mr9800 and execute flash.
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post #127 of 210
4/21/05 at 8:56pm
That's a good way to kill both cards. The slot is not designed to be hotswappable. Try hotswapping a desktop PCI/AGP card sometime and see what happens.
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post #128 of 210
4/21/05 at 9:13pm
And you may electrocute yourself
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post #129 of 210
4/21/05 at 9:19pm
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I've done it with old zif bioses that failed and was able to recover them. Plus youd be grounded and wearing rubber gloves. Also, I know that pci and agp can't be hot swapped traditionally.
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post #130 of 210
4/21/05 at 9:19pm
I can see a chip on the motherboard that says intel on it(not the pentium one). Is this the intel graphics chip? If we could make that work, we could have something. Can someone try removing the radeon and start windows and listen if you can hear the music windows plays when windows start?
If yes, we could all give some money and buy this:
http://www.usbgear.com/USB2_SVGA_USB...reenshots.html
It's $89.99
And maybe that pcmcia adaptor whackamac got didn't work because the lcd could only be connected to the radeon and not the pcmcia card. So with something like this we could make the pcmcia card work.
If we could make this work we could crack the bios within a month or so with trial and error method.
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post #131 of 210
4/21/05 at 9:46pm
i dont think you could boot from a usb vid card, or a pcmcia card either.

just out of curiousity can the mr9800 be connected to a desktop computer? it is a apg card slot... (i know the answer is probably no, but if we could then it could open up new posibilities)
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post #132 of 210
4/21/05 at 10:07pm
That's not a usb video card this is a usb adapter that enables you to connect an external monitor.
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The USB 2.0 SVGA Adapter enables you to connect any monitor, LCD, projector to your PC or Notebook. By using USB 2.0 technology, there is no need struggle with compatibility issues related to a second VGA card.
Wackamac, when you put your pcmcia card, what happened?
Question:
Before windows start, when the computer is checking the bios, is the radeon used, or is the intel graphics chip used, but it uses the radeon's vga out ports,
and when you put the new x800 bios, you still have picture, but the vga out ports get messed up?
Can you use that bios flashing tool from within windows? I bet if you put the pcmcia card and that usb adapter and windows start, after their drivers get loaded from windows you will have picture.
And if the x800 bios works, but the vga out ports are messed up, we wouldn't even need the pcmcia card. We could boot up with the radeon.
Do windows start at all if the radeon is messed up? You said you could get corrupted video with some bioses. Were there any times where windows didn't start at all?
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post #133 of 210
4/21/05 at 10:12pm
Check this out:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33813069

This guy simply told his Windows machine what card he had, and it recognized it! He has an X800, so he forced it to X800XT and gained 2000 pts in 3dmark2001! Maybe we could, for instance, try installing the X800 drivers from another company and simply force them or something? Maybe extract them and then just tell it to use specific inf file or something? Just a thought.

EDIT: Doing some research, I realized that the Mobility X800 is also called the M28. That option is right there if you have Omega's installed. Here's how to get to it:

Device Manager --> Display Adapters --> Update Drivers --> No, not this time, Next --> install from a list or specific location (Advanced), Next --> Don't Search...Next --> UNCHECK Show Compatable Hardware --> Press "M" to find M28.

I wonder. Anyone wanna be a lab rat?

EDIT: A link to Sager's X800 drivers:

http://www.sagernotebook.com/ftp/video/ATI_D900T.exe
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post #134 of 210
4/21/05 at 10:32pm
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Originally Posted by KAROLOYDI
I can see a chip on the motherboard that says intel on it(not the pentium one). Is this the intel graphics chip?
Thats the chipset for the ide and memory controllers its a intel based board the mobo does not have built in video.
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post #135 of 210
4/21/05 at 10:36pm
So the question now is: Can the radeon be flashed from within windows? Once the drivers get recognised the pcmcia card and the usb to vga out adapter should work.
Isn't there a utility that allows you to have more than one desktops? We can map one desktop to the radeon and another one to the pcmcia and usb to vga out. And another one with the radeon to the usb to vga adapter. This way we can keep flashing lines from the 9800 bios to the x800 bios that whackamac got the additional pipes enabled until vga out on radeon is enabled. Then we would be really really close. Do some lines completely kill the radeon? Or can it always be restored?.
How big is the bios?
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post #136 of 210
4/21/05 at 11:16pm
Ill do it
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post #137 of 210
4/22/05 at 2:46am
whackamac,

please don't fry another card! we would all feel horrible!

If i only had the mr9800...
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post #138 of 210
4/22/05 at 4:54am
i am sticking to KAROLOYDI

I think . that we cannot see fried cards anymore.

Therefore we should fund out a way how to reflash cards when they have been not flashed properly.

So i think the idea with KAROLOYDI's monitors is good. We should definetly get a method of reflashing bioses without suicide flashing them .

I have a few questions the the people who have a card that has not been flashed properly.
1. Does the MOBO BIOS make any beep noises when the system starts up with the badly flashed card?
2. Can u hear windows start up after a while (with the bad gfx cfard )

If you can it would be possible to remember the key combinations that are used to reflash the gfx bios
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post #139 of 210
4/22/05 at 9:30am
Hey, I found this mailing list forum that is for support for pci standards development.
Maybe someone will be willing to help us find what line of code in the radeon bios enables the pci express. And also what line in the 9800 bios enables the agp. If we replace the pci express line with the agp line of the 9800 bios and also enable the video outputs in the x800 bios we will have done 80% of the work and limit the risk of the card dying after flash.
Never understood how these mailing lists work. But these guyz sure know their shit.
http://www.pcisig.com/developers/tec...ort/pci_forum/

If you do post a message there, don't tell them the truth. Tell them you are a student doing a project for University.
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post #140 of 210
4/22/05 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by whackamac
Ill do it
Was that response to me? So you think we could flash the bios from within windows?
I could send you $10 with paypal. Give us the paypal adress. I am sure $10 investment will be safe considering the performance increase we will get.
Do you still have your dead radeon 9800? You could experiment on it first and see if you can resurrect it. This way you won't have the same troubles.
Do you still have that pcmcia card?

p.s. This is the manual for the usb to svga out adapter.
http://www.usbgear.com/USB2_SVGA_USB.../UserGuide.pdf
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