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post #21 of 78
4/14/05 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by qwerty007
ah hah... finally someone understands... yeah man so that means my notebook is not running up to spec yeah>? just to check are all sonomas like that?
I think Alviso (chipset) is at fault here. The memory latencies are set correctly for 266MHz, but the mem controller is not adjusting the multiplier ratios correctly, which should be set to 1/2 (FSB/mem clock) not 2/3.

I seriously doubt the Mac OS has anthing to do with this; since it would be a much lower level problems with BIOS settings, and auto adjustments by the chipset.
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post #22 of 78
4/14/05 at 5:00pm
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before i moded my win xp to look like a mac it was already running at a 2:3 ratio. Any idea how to set it to 1:2 anyone??? hardball? or is everyone's alviso acting like that?
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post #23 of 78
4/14/05 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by qwerty007
before i moded my win xp to look like a mac it was already running at a 2:3 ratio. Any idea how to set it to 1:2 anyone??? hardball? or is everyone's alviso acting like that?
You can try to set it manually in BIOS settings. But I'm not sure if ASUS has locked the settings down or not. If the settings are locked, often (not always) the only means is to reset BIOS jumper/remove BIOS battery to set BIOS to default of the mobo manufacturer. But that would almost certainly mean the voiding of your warranty.

Your best bet might be to reload WinXP and send it back to ASUS, and complain that the RAM is not running upto spec, and let them figure it out. There could be something I don't don't about Alviso, since I'm not that familiar with the chipset; but they certainly would know.
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post #24 of 78
4/14/05 at 5:11pm
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haha i tried calling them(acer) already and they called intel. and they said theres nothing they can do cause they just followed intel's mb designs, and the laptop is running like how intel intended it to be. Now whos lying acer or intel? sonoma or not?

i wish i could have set the ratio... but... the BIOS only lets u change the boot sequence. fat chance. LOL
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post #25 of 78
4/14/05 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by qwerty007
haha i tried calling them(acer) already and they called intel. and they said theres nothing they can do cause they just followed intel's mb designs, and the laptop is running like how intel intended it to be. Now whos lying acer or intel? sonoma or not?

i wish i could have set the ratio... but... the BIOS only lets u change the boot sequence. fat chance. LOL
That probably means that some BIOS features have been disabled by ACER. There shouldn't be THAT much difference in memory access and general performance; but if you really care, you should write a complaint to their customer service, since you did pay for the more expensive Sonoma platform, whose biggest advantage was higher memory bandwidth.
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post #26 of 78
4/14/05 at 5:28pm
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i dont think they'd really care. called them up already and that have no satisfactory answer. i'm from singapore and here we have an authority called CASE that deals with consumer complaints. should i or should i not? sounds like making a mountain outta molehill. But to geeks like us... 133Mhz memory bandwidth is a BIG deal! haha
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post #27 of 78
4/14/05 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by qwerty007
i dont think they'd really care. called them up already and that have no satisfactory answer. i'm from singapore and here we have an authority called CASE that deals with consumer complaints. should i or should i not? sounds like making a mountain outta molehill. But to geeks like us... 133Mhz memory bandwidth is a BIG deal! haha
You just have to weigh: whether the slightly faster mem BUS is more important to you time spent in filing the complaint or not. If I were you, I would, just to show them that I mean business. But that's me.
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post #28 of 78
4/14/05 at 5:43pm
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haha... i agree... till the end!
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post #29 of 78
4/14/05 at 6:17pm
I would just RMA it and buy something else probably... if you can do that.
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post #30 of 78
4/14/05 at 7:35pm
There is no way you should EVER have a 1:2 FSB/memory ratio. It is simply not possible.

That would mean your memory was running at 800mhz for a 400mhz FSB, or 1066 for a 533mhz FSB.

If your memory is running at 400mhz, then it is IMPOSSIBLE that it is running with a 2:3 ratio; that would infer a 266mhz FSB, and the only FSB speeds that the Pentium M/Centrino comes in is 400mhz and 533mhz.
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post #31 of 78
4/14/05 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by Guspaz
There is no way you should EVER have a 1:2 FSB/memory ratio. It is simply not possible.

That would mean your memory was running at 800mhz for a 400mhz FSB, or 1066 for a 533mhz FSB.

If your memory is running at 400mhz, then it is IMPOSSIBLE that it is running with a 2:3 ratio; that would infer a 266mhz FSB, and the only FSB speeds that the Pentium M/Centrino comes in is 400mhz and 533mhz.
You have to realize that the signal rate of the FSB of sonoma is 533MHz, but the actual system clock is clocked at 133MHz, and the signal is trasferred 4 times per cycle (quad-pumping). The same with 400MHz FSB, its either clocked at 200MHz and double pumped, or at 100MHz and quad-pumped.

The measure of the ratio is based on real clock rate, not on the signal rate of the FSB. The same on the mem side, based on actual mem clock rate, not on the data transfer rate (that's why there is such a thing as Double Data Rate RAM).
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post #32 of 78
4/14/05 at 8:15pm
think it is because CPU-Z doesnt support sonoma...

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post #33 of 78
4/14/05 at 8:15pm
By the way, my Asus is being detect the same way
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post #34 of 78
4/14/05 at 8:20pm
Maybe CPUZ lacks support for all DDR-II systems then. That's the only reason I can think of why it wouldn't support Sonoma
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post #35 of 78
4/15/05 at 1:39am
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hmmm.... will SISoft Sandra tell us anything about the mem freq? or is there any other software that will>?

looks like all our sonoma notebooks are running at 400mhz mem freq. well then... it's either cpuz is wrong or sonoma isn't properly utilised.
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post #36 of 78
4/15/05 at 1:59am
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Originally Posted by qwerty007
hmmm.... will SISoft Sandra tell us anything about the mem freq? or is there any other software that will>?

looks like all our sonoma notebooks are running at 400mhz mem freq. well then... it's either cpuz is wrong or sonoma isn't properly utilised.
Here, download this program, this should give you a lot more detail than CPU-Z
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html
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post #37 of 78
4/15/05 at 2:18am
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yes unforunately it doesn't say anyhting about mem speeds... just tells u what speed the rams are rated at but not mem freq...
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post #38 of 78
4/15/05 at 2:33am
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Originally Posted by qwerty007
yes unforunately it doesn't say anyhting about mem speeds... just tells u what speed the rams are rated at but not mem freq...
You might be able to get something out of
Start --> run --> MSinfo32

There is another program, whose trial version you might be able to use:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download240.html
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post #39 of 78
4/15/05 at 3:04am
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hey thanks man... really appreciate yr advice and help yeah?
im d/l the apps now
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post #40 of 78
4/15/05 at 8:32am
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nope nothing still... looks like cpuid is the only utility that lets u see the mem freqs...
heh... conclusion: sonoma runs at 400mhz ram speeds even if yr rams are rated at 533... or anyone has screenshots to disprove this?
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