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post #21 of 70
4/20/05 at 10:04pm
Why are people taking the INQs word as gold? I for one will be extreamly suprised if this actually happens. There has been no evidence that AMD is gearing up to do anything like this, not even samples to review sites.

If they're right, well then great. It still won't have an impact on gaming. Maybe gaming while compiling code.... but not gaming on it's own.
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post #22 of 70
4/20/05 at 10:07pm
I guess Intel's chips do last longer than AMD's...but longevity isn't really a big feature of processors, which tend to be tossed away long before they break...
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post #23 of 70
4/20/05 at 10:25pm
PM chips where Turion?
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post #24 of 70
4/20/05 at 11:26pm
LOL, DarqHelmet that movie you have in your sig is hilarious!

As for dual core, woohoo. But I already got my laptop, so ahh well.

Tellerve
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post #25 of 70
4/21/05 at 1:00am
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http://www.x86-secret.com/?option=newsd&nid=870

Possible Hyperthreading-like technology for Dual Core Athlon 64s?
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post #26 of 70
4/21/05 at 1:47am
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Originally Posted by HardBall
http://www.x86-secret.com/?option=newsd&nid=870

Possible Hyperthreading-like technology for Dual Core Athlon 64s?
Wow, that certainly is interesting; throwing HT into the mix would really put the wind up Intel, since the 840 EE is waaaay expensive. Have you found any additional info re: HT, HardBall?
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post #27 of 70
4/21/05 at 1:51am
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Originally Posted by Aurorix
Wow, that certainly is interesting; throwing HT into the mix would really put the wind up Intel, since the 840 EE is waaaay expensive. Have you found any additional info re: HT, HardBall?
I read an article about a month ago where AMD was talking about sharing FPUs between the two cores. IE if one core is only doing integer calculations, then the FPUs of that core could be used by the other core to do floats. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it.
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post #28 of 70
4/21/05 at 1:58am
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Originally Posted by HardBall
I read an article about a month ago where AMD was talking about sharing FPUs between the two cores. IE if one core is only doing integer calculations, then the FPUs of that core could be used by the other core to do floats. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it.
Hmm... I googled around a bit, but didn't manage to come up with anything conclusive. We'll find out for sure tomorrow, I guess, but some early info never hurts
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post #29 of 70
4/21/05 at 2:24am
It is now official http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050421/206168.html?.v=1
Amd has officially launched World's First 64-Bit, X86 Multi-Core Processors

"April 21, 2005-- Charting another industry first, AMD (NYSE:AMD - News) today introduced a broad portfolio of dual-core solutions from server and workstations for enterprise users to desktop and desktop-replacement notebooks for consumers and business users"

"A broad portfolio of these multi-tasking processors will join the AMD64 family and includes models 4800+, 4600+, 4400+ and 4200+"
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post #30 of 70
4/21/05 at 4:00am
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This is why the DC A64s will be superior to the Pentium EE solution:


Unlike intel, which simply uses an arbitration logic that shuttles everything with a simple switch, this is AMD's plan.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13344

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post #31 of 70
4/21/05 at 5:15am
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Originally Posted by SidewinderX
Why are people taking the INQs word as gold?
You're right. The Inq is considered by some to be as valid as the paper version of The Inquirer and then those that put it on the level of the Bible, & we all know who they are.

I am excited as anyone about dual-cores, but there are people here that seriously need to take a chill-pill, open a door, go outside, take a hike, climb a mountain, or go on a date.
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post #32 of 70
4/21/05 at 6:00am
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Originally Posted by Karma
You're right. The Inq is considered by some to be as valid as the paper version of The Inquirer and then those that put it on the level of the Bible, & we all know who they are.

I am excited as anyone about dual-cores, but there are people here that seriously need to take a chill-pill, open a door, go outside, take a hike, climb a mountain, or go on a date.
Maybe, but check out the yahoo article looks like they were right!
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post #33 of 70
4/21/05 at 6:12am
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Originally Posted by postal
Maybe, but check out the yahoo article looks like they were right!
You've missed the point.

There are alot of people who get excited when a whiff of sugar comes thier way.

I'm saying that while it's all good, there are some here that should take some Ritalin.
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post #34 of 70
4/21/05 at 6:19am
Hm... The Yahoo article only confirms what we all knew - the desktop chips won't be available until June. Only the 8-way Opterons will be shipping tomorrow. Just as AMD announced all along, the high end dual-core chips would ship first.
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post #35 of 70
4/21/05 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by hyc
Hm... The Yahoo article only confirms what we all knew - the desktop chips won't be available until June. Only the 8-way Opterons will be shipping tomorrow. Just as AMD announced all along, the high end dual-core chips would ship first.
Check out this then:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...8_9484,00.html


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Originally Posted by www.amd.com
Welcome to the world of TRUE multi-tasking.
Multi-tasking has become a way of life, but sometimes your PC just can’t keep up with everything you want to do on it at the same time. The AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 dual core processor enables true multitasking—taking computing to an all new level
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post #36 of 70
4/21/05 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by HardBall
From AMD's press release:
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Originally Posted by AMD
Dual core on the desktop: Do more in less time
Raising personal computing to new heights, AMD announced the AMD Athlon 64 X2 processor brand for dual-core desktop and desktop-replacement notebook processors. AMD is currently shipping samples of the AMD Athlon X2 Dual-Core processors to leading OEMs worldwide and will officially launch in June 2005.
As I've said OEM launch means little. Official launch isn't until June, availability for consumers through large OEMs will be in Q3 and retail availability won't be until Q4 2005.
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post #37 of 70
4/21/05 at 3:37pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by deltawalkerl
From AMD's press release:


As I've said OEM launch means little. Official launch isn't until June, availability for consumers through large OEMs will be in Q3 and retail availability won't be until Q4 2005.
That's what every said from the beginning, this is only an OEM launch, not a full retail launch. It remains to be seen which OEMs will get it first. But I can bet that HP will be one of the beneficiaries. If we get lucky, some OEM chips will trickle down to sites like Newegg, if the manufacturers have extra.
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post #38 of 70
4/21/05 at 3:49pm
I believe they only sent chips to OEMs for sampling, and I doubt HP, et al. would release any systems prior to the June official launch. (Did you mean OEM launch as in the OEMs would start shipping systems soon? I doubt it...)
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post #39 of 70
4/21/05 at 3:56pm
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Here is one of the first reviews of the new chips being shipped:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2397

Comparison between the Pentium D EE:



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And the AMD A64 X2:




AMD A64 X2 will be compatible with any S939 Mobo being sold today:

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Originally Posted by anandtech
Backwards Compatibility
Intel's dual core Pentium D and Extreme Edition won't work in any previous motherboards, but as we mentioned at the start of this article, AMD has more bang. Here, the additional bang comes from the almost 100% backwards compatibility with single-core motherboards. We say "almost" because it's not totally perfect; here's the breakdown:

- On the desktop, the Athlon 64 X2 series is fully compatible with all Socket-939 motherboards. All you need is a BIOS update and you're good to go.

- For workstations/servers, if you have a motherboard that supports the 90nm Opterons, then all you need is a BIOS update for dual core Opteron support. If the motherboard does not support 90nm Opterons then you are, unfortunately, out of luck.
For desktop users, the ability to upgrade your current Socket-939 motherboards to support dual core in the future is a huge offer from AMD. While it may not please motherboard manufacturers to lengthen upgrade cycles like this, we have never seen a CPU manufacturer take care of their users like this before. Even during the Socket-A days when you didn't have to upgrade your motherboard, most users still did because of better chipsets. AMD's architectural decisions have made those days obsolete. The next generation of dual core processors will most likely need a new motherboard, but rest assured that you have a solid upgrade path if you have recently invested in a new Socket-939 desktop system or Socket-940.
End of Single core A64s, Single cores will only continue with the FX line, as it seems, but Future A64s will be DC dominated:

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Originally Posted by anandtech
For AMD, the Athlon 64 4000+ was the last single core Athlon 64 they will make; all model numbers after 4000+ will be dual core Athlon 64 X2s. Starting at 4200+ and going up to 4800+, the Athlon 64 X2 continues AMD’s trend of basing model numbers off clock speeds and cache sizes. You can see the breakdown below:
AMD A64 X2 pricings:



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post #40 of 70
4/21/05 at 4:28pm
On second thought, I hope X2s start shipping soon despite the June official launch. Who knows...maybe I'll be really lucky and will be able to build a DC system in May...
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