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IBM-ers - I need advice!

post #1 of 7
Thread Starter 
Looking for IBM-Head opinions....

I have my Inspiron 700m on order from Dell but my Dad's friend works for IBM and has lots of employee savings. He's trying to convince me to get a ThinkPad because it would be cheaper. Thing is, my current i9100 is a disgusting 12 pounds with my AC brick... er...adapter and I need something light for travel and class. I'm looking for the cheapest ultraportable (WITH A CD/DVD DRIVE) out there which just meets my travel/class needs.

What does IBM offer in this regard, ie model numbers and which do you guys recommend. I'm trying to decide if I should return my 700m and go with a Thinkpad. I think IBM and Dell are both reliable companies, so I don't really have any bias. Looking for some good advice from IBM owners/savants.

Thanks so much!
post #2 of 7
Have a look at the IBM X series.
post #3 of 7
Duude, I have both so maybe I might have som "inside track" on things..I have, like U a i9100 and yeah...it's a heavy machine but it has it's advantages.

And I have a thinkpad x40 too and have some experince with other ibm-models.

But the main point is, be sure of what U need in terms of diffentent ports, like s-video, firewire(something that my x40 doesnt have), bluetooth and stuff like that and go from there.

But the 700 SEEMS to be a quite respectful machine in terms of ports like firewire, s-video and stuff like that and think only sony's vaio and a fue others are in lighter class that has an built-in optical drive..not too many of the thin&light-notebooks does not have one built in..but that's for U to decide.

But I cant tell anything but what I see on "paper" about the dell 700m but what I can give a fue cents of is what I like about the thinkpad line...

Even tho the x40 does not have any dvd-drive, firewire or s-video.
But first off, a small personla taste issue...after I got used to the trackpoint on the dell, I like it a bit and found myself using it more and more than the touchpad on the i9100 and when I got to feel the trackpoint on the thinkpad's I used...dont think I would even buy or could live with a laptop without a trackpoint and the one's found on the ibm are top of it's class...

But something else that ibm seems to beeing a tad king-on-the-hill, is it's keyboard and there is not much to say any otherwise on that point, I rather type on the smaller keyboard on my ibm than the full-sized one on the i9100.

But since the dell was my first personal computer, I had more of gaming-on-the-go in my mind when decided on it, it was one of the first cheaper computers that had and seperate grafics on it so that was the reason for this choice, even if I now in retrospect look back kicking myself a bit for not buying the hp NC6000 but then I would had to lower down the gaming aspect...

But what I like on the thinkpads, besides the keyboard&trackpoint, is the build quality, often that not too many dell's can match, they are built often with nice materials and feel like as plastic and they dont feel as cheap as the dell ones...I saw the small video-clip on c-net on the x40 and was a tad impressed by the looks of it...and even if looks like a blck brick, I like it, no fuzz and things that makes it feel flimzy construction-wise, even tho the design is no show-off, I personally like it...

And something I think anyone should do when they get at new laptop, is to install a clean system and have controll of whats installed on it and now I have so much put in the system that wont do a fresh install before I truly must. And there I found that dell dont have not many advantages to offer. And the hard-drive protections software on the thinkpads gives a feeling of more security when it comes to protecting the harddrive from damage if found myself in those kind of situvations...but ibm includes a recovery-solution on a hidden partition and have not been forced to use that option, and even if it takes out some gigs from the total size, think will be thankful to have it if the day comes to that I have to use it..

The screen on the dell tho is something to enjoy and I might have been a bit spoiled to return, when beeing on the move to a 1024x768 from a 1920x1200 resulution and the screen has quite narrow viewing angle and I find myself adjusting it time to time so have a good viewing angle but that is no biggie for me...but the screens on the bigger machines are better, hopefully the screens are a bit crisper on the x41/x32..

And the battrylife of the smaller battery does not impress me all that much and when the bigger battery is slapped on the x40, it bulks out from the machine..but it gives a nice batterylife for the x40..=)

And not to forget, the harddrive is a 1.8' drive that are not that speedy&upgradable and are not found in larger sizes than 60gb at the moment(I atleast think no bigger has come out on the market quite yet) and spinning in 4200rpm, but then I use the x40 mostly for developing and writing and surfing the web, even tho the jump from the dell's workarea to the ibm's is a quite big one, U learn to live with it. But then, dont think the harddrive-drawback-speed is found only on the ibm, think I read the 700m has a 4200rpm-drive in it too, but dont know if it is a 1.8 or a 2.5 drive..)

But even if the ibm has a screen that wont bring any wow's, performance that will blow me away, but enough for me and have the option of beeing able to upgrade harddrive to a faster one, even if that will propably change in the near future. No cv/dvd built in, have a external usb for that, and dont use it all that often anyways personally. No firewire(well no use for me there either) no s-video output(would had been nice to have tho)...

Even if my x40 has it comes short on points, I personally dont find myself ever buing some other modell of dell, ever even if the price are low and U get alot of "glamour" things built in the specs of the computer. And even if I read that ibm's are easier to sell used than dell...dont think I will ever sell my x40 as I will do with my i9100 soon...and here is where I think that many owners of the a tad higher build quality thinkpads will agree with me, that if they can live with the features and lack of them, in terms of fireview and stuff like that...after using thinkpads for a while, u get the feeling that it's much more of a "keeper laptop" than dell's are and I think that I will still use the x40 until something happens to it and forces me to move on to another one...hte keyboard is leading it's class, the build quality does not feel flimzy, and warranty is of good length, love the trackpoint, like the small features of different kinds in software and hardware...and even if I havent had the thinkpad I have found myself having a feeling that I did not get with the dell and that is that I think that I will find myself having it in my possesion for quite some time and when I move on to better machines, and if I have the option not to sell the thinkpad, it will atleast be my dedicaded word-processor....

And if U found yourself thinking that U can live without a optical drive and want a light notebook, there are, in my personal opinion, many better options than dell, like asus w3v or w5-modell, ibm, hp nc-series to name a fue...

And sure, both companies are reliable and dont think thay will dissapear off the market any time soon, but what all this wirting has boiled down to, in my personal opinion..I cant see myself buying a dell when they are as plastic as they are now..but I could see myself buying thinkpad, hp nc-series and even some of asus models and even if many of them are set at a higher price most often, U see where the money went after having them for a while...because when having tasted the grass on the other side...it is greener, in my case anyways..=)

This was not maybe what U wanted to have input on but hopefully helped your decision..=)
post #4 of 7
Just to followup on what Sentinel said...

The X40 is top of the line in its class; however, my daughter has an X40 and really likes it, but she only does email and some light office stuff. On the other hand, I do lots and lots of stuff on my T43 (14.1") and I could never be satisfied with the anemic power of the X40 and 12 inch screen just to save a pound or two... that's all there is between the X40 and T43.

Just a pound or so more, and you can go from a Dell 700m (no question about it, it's a fine computer), to a business laptop with all the features you need. (a firewire PC Card costs less than $ 25 for any laptop - I know, I've got one)

The T43 has power for just about anything you throw at it, except games. And IBM has the support and ergonomics that no one else can match. If you get anything else, you'll be kicking yourself later. Believe me, I've made this mistake more than once.

The only Dell that comes close is the D610, IMHO.

Hope this helps with your decision.
post #5 of 7
Absolutely, agree to what jjfcpa said...and yeah, very true, there are external solutions to some things like firewire and things like that, if U needed them..

I was just giving a lengthy point of view of what I think of your choiche of laptop and of course, sorry if I forgot to write down that ibm x40 or the a tad similar, ibm x31/x32 are at the lightest&smallest on the line of ibm notebooks and there are models that could fit your needs..and even tho not all that usual area of usage, some more models of the T4xP-series has ATI Mobility FIREGL graphical chipset in them and have seen been used for some gaming...even tho that option is pricey one and propably at the cost of batterylife and are designed to be more of an workstation usage than gamin...not designed can be done on thinkpads...=)

But just wanted to give an opinion of some of the difference on ibm and dell notebooks, because I own and have worked with different models from both brands..

Everything boils down to what U need and what U can afford...but if looking beyond the performance and design and things that U can read in reviews and see measurement results on, if someone asked me what laptop I would enjoy working with more and which one I would think I would still have in my possession after couple of years, I would answer the thinkpad on both questions...too bad the is no "enjoyment og usage"-points indexed on laptops...=P
post #6 of 7
Thread Starter 
WOW! Thanks for all the information! That was quite a boatload.

I guess I forgot some important things to mention though...

I'm on a budget - I'm a college student and this would be my 2ND laptop - which is crazy to most people, even halfway to myself. I need something I can easily take around campus and take on airplanes and watch dvd's that is small, lightweight, but functional when I need to use applications for classwork. I will also be going to law school next fall so I know this is going to be a big need for me.

That being said... I don't want to sell my i9100 for like half of what I bought it for and I still love it. I'm looking to use it more as my desktop and this 700m as a portable one. The i9100 is NOT portable at all - and I want something I can carry around more. I looked at the IBMS and the ultra-portables are pretty much out of my price range, especially with such low starting options. Also - I'm looking for a 12.1 incher with an optical drive, and IBM just doesn't have that. That being said, I do agree that IBM's are very solid laptops and I would be happy to have one as a main laptop - I'm going to recommend my sister get one for college. But right now I'm looking at two extremes for laptops. I looked around IBMs website a lot today and nothing looked right - either there was no optical drive, it was too expensive, or too big (how can I justify a 14.1 inch screen when I already have a 15.4 widescreen?)

Thanks for all your help. Knowledge is power in decision making. I'm glad to know there are such friendly and helpful people over at the IBM threads. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by littleastrostar
WOW! Thanks for all the information! That was quite a boatload.

I guess I forgot some important things to mention though...

I'm on a budget - I'm a college student and this would be my 2ND laptop - which is crazy to most people, even halfway to myself. I need something I can easily take around campus and take on airplanes and watch dvd's that is small, lightweight, but functional when I need to use applications for classwork. I will also be going to law school next fall so I know this is going to be a big need for me.

That being said... I don't want to sell my i9100 for like half of what I bought it for and I still love it. I'm looking to use it more as my desktop and this 700m as a portable one. The i9100 is NOT portable at all - and I want something I can carry around more. I looked at the IBMS and the ultra-portables are pretty much out of my price range, especially with such low starting options. Also - I'm looking for a 12.1 incher with an optical drive, and IBM just doesn't have that. That being said, I do agree that IBM's are very solid laptops and I would be happy to have one as a main laptop - I'm going to recommend my sister get one for college. But right now I'm looking at two extremes for laptops. I looked around IBMs website a lot today and nothing looked right - either there was no optical drive, it was too expensive, or too big (how can I justify a 14.1 inch screen when I already have a 15.4 widescreen?)

Thanks for all your help. Knowledge is power in decision making. I'm glad to know there are such friendly and helpful people over at the IBM threads. Thanks!
Just a FYI... going to IBM's website to SHOP for a laptop is a total waste of time. I've bought dozens of Thinkpads and never purchased one direct from IBM. Way too much money. Try using www.pricegrabber.com or check out www.thinkpaddepot.com or go to www.thinkpads.com (note the "s") and ask Bill Morrow (moderator of the forum) what he can do for you. He buys at a pretty good discount direct from IBM and passes the savings on to you. (Probably not all the savings... there's got to be something in it for him.)

If you're planning on going to law school, that Thinkpad would sure fit the part.
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