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post #1 of 13
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No, it isn't the notebook... (well, it is... but not for this post).

I was just noticing that it is odd that they are able to squeeze all the needed parts to make up a nice G5 into the G5 iMac, but there is no equivalent option in the G5 line for you to purchase if you don't want the built in screen.

My dad is ready to switch from his PC to a Mac, and really wants to get the Mac Mini because of its small footprint. He already has a great 21" LCD flat panel and is excited about trying out Tiger and all the iLife apps...

I'm all for it, but since cost isn't really an issue; I think it isn't the best idea to get a G4 processor and be capped at a 32 meg video card. A PowerMac G5 tower really is much bigger than he wants, and I'd say the iMac G5 (single 1.8GHz PowerPC G5) is really the perfect computer for him... EXCEPT for that gosh darn screen!!!

I'm almost thinking he should get that thing, lay it down on its face and use his monitor... lol ... Seriously, just think how small and stylish they could make that exact same model G5 if they didn't have to have the built in LCD...

...Makes no sense to me... Maybe they'll eventually come out with G5 Mac Minis?

I guess I'll just give him the choice... get the fastest Mac mini they make and be prepared to upgrade soon, OR get the G5 iMac 20" an set up a "cool" dual span monitor situation... best I can think of.
post #2 of 13
why not a powermac?
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by freestyle
A PowerMac G5 tower really is much bigger than he wants, and I'd say the iMac G5 (single 1.8GHz PowerPC G5) is really the perfect computer for him... EXCEPT for that gosh darn screen!!!
It is the small size of the Mini that is so appealing... The PowerMac tower is pretty big... even bigger than his dinasour PC he's currently on.
post #4 of 13
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I'm kinda thinking something like this:


post #5 of 13
what kinda stuff will he be doing that he will actually need better graphics? bc i know my parents just do the basic shit and they don't need awesome graphics, not sure if your dad is the same way or not.
post #6 of 13
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He'll be playing with iDVD and even iMovie... He'll definitely use iPhoto and probably want to add Photoshop after that.

The encoding time for DVD's will be much faster on a G5 processor... Also, just keeping longevity in mind, future applications will undoubtedly perform better on the G5.

If he weren't going to be playing with iDVD and iMovie, I might not think it is that big of a deal... but any rendering might be a little laborious...
post #7 of 13
freestyle,
agreed, a G5 mini would be sweet. my guess is that as soon as they make it work in the nextgen apple laptop, it'll be ported to the mini. remember, the mini is essentially iBook G4 technology, and as such it works in such a compact enclosure. so dual G4 cores, G5, G6, what have you, when it's notebook capable, then u'll likely see it ported to the mini. i could be wrong, but apple has an interest in having their product line on a G5 platform, where the 64 bit capabilities would be a common selling point.

also, while yes a G5 would be faster at compile times for iDVD projects, the beauty of OS X as well as the G4s is that waiting is less of an issue for projects given your ability to use the rest of the OS. i've noted a number of times that my iBook allows me to do any number of any other things fluidly, while video encoding, whereas my windows machine becomes largely unusable.

if it's of any reassurance, the biggest delay on iMovie is the importation process, which u may know converts the media to a raw uncompressed DV format. (btw, using quicktime on my windows machine to do an export to DV format is not notably faster, if at all, compared to the conversion process in importing to iMovie. note that when doing an export on my windows desktop i do it to a drive separate from the OS and programs, so that there's no I/O bottlenecks...and again there is little difference between my desktop and my iBook in DV conversion) beyond that, applying transitions is swift, and output (video file or iDVD export) is not laborious IMO. however, as noted, my version of "laborious" looks more at the usability of the OS while doing such encoding rather than how quickly it happens. i.e.-the idea of waiting for a project to complete, when doing so does not render my computer unusable, is much more appealing than a computer that does it slightly faster, but makes it difficult to open a new application such as arun of the mill email client.

put some 3rd party RAM in a mini...at least 512MB, preferably 1GB, and i doubt there'd be many complaints on the part of your dad.
post #8 of 13
Why don't you recommend your dad a PowerBook? You can connect the external screen on it while the pb is closed...
post #9 of 13
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Not a bad idea iSwitch... but still, we're talking about G4 technology (although a much, much better performer). It is hard not to feel like you are getting an "old product" from Apple if you aren't getting a G5.

triadone - I agree that he could, no doubt, "get by" pretty nicely with the Mini... It is just that all of my demos of Macs and OS X have been on my MUCH FASTER computers (I have two G5s -- a dual 2.5 and dual 2.0 -- , a G4 Quicksilver, and an iBook). I also recently talked his best friend (a serious photography hobbiest) into a dual 1.8GHz G5 PowerMac (So I know my dad will want to compete ) It just seems like they left a gap between the iMac G5's and the PowerMacs.

Again, I'm just thinking for longevity sake... who knows what new apps will come out (or new features for iMovie and iDVD)... Processor speed (and graphics cards) are becoming more and more important. And, yeah, RAM is even more important than ever on the Macs...

I do like the Powerbook idea a lot though (although, I know as soon as he gets it the "new" ones will come... just Murphy's Law). I just wish they'd take that screen out of the G5 iMac! Just think how small they could make it!

If they did that, you'd probably be able to get a $999 G5... Probably with the same specs as the 17" 1.6 GHz iMac G5.

Thanks for the thoughts...

(oh yeah, and we'll put a minimum of 1gb of ram on whatever system he gets... minimum.)
post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
This wouldn't be so bad either.

post #11 of 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by freestyle
Not a bad idea iSwitch... but still, we're talking about G4 technology (although a much, much better performer). It is hard not to feel like you are getting an "old product" from Apple if you aren't getting a G5.

triadone - I agree that he could, no doubt, "get by" pretty nicely with the Mini... It is just that all of my demos of Macs and OS X have been on my MUCH FASTER computers (I have two G5s -- a dual 2.5 and dual 2.0 -- , a G4 Quicksilver, and an iBook). I also recently talked his best friend (a serious photography hobbiest) into a dual 1.8GHz G5 PowerMac (So I know my dad will want to compete ) It just seems like they left a gap between the iMac G5's and the PowerMacs.

Again, I'm just thinking for longevity sake... who knows what new apps will come out (or new features for iMovie and iDVD)... Processor speed (and graphics cards) are becoming more and more important. And, yeah, RAM is even more important than ever on the Macs...

I do like the Powerbook idea a lot though (although, I know as soon as he gets it the "new" ones will come... just Murphy's Law). I just wish they'd take that screen out of the G5 iMac! Just think how small they could make it!

If they did that, you'd probably be able to get a $999 G5... Probably with the same specs as the 17" 1.6 GHz iMac G5.

Thanks for the thoughts...

(oh yeah, and we'll put a minimum of 1gb of ram on whatever system he gets... minimum.)
About those Powerbook G5 in the future I can tell you one thing: Rev A has always bugs. You've got to consider if you want a G4 which works perfect or a G5 rev a with bugs.
I'll propose you the following: buy a G4 PB with external screen (if you have lots of money the 30" ) when rev b of the G5 comes out then you can buy that one and sell your G4.
Which I would do...
post #12 of 13
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I am thinking about having him get the Powerbook... It just is always painful when you know you're getting an "older" product.

I just wish they'd solve that G5 thermal issue already! I'd take my risks with rev A
post #13 of 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by iSwitch
Why don't you recommend your dad a PowerBook? You can connect the external screen on it while the pb is closed...
pb is slow for all rendering i should know cause i won one and it jitters liek crazy on i-movie. By the way its a 1.5ghz g4 with 2 gig of ram.
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