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post #21 of 40
4/29/05 at 7:05pm
What socket are our motherboards again? and is the Turion just that a Turion or is it something different like a Clawhammer or Newcastle

Edit: Answered one of my questions, its a socket 754.
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post #22 of 40
5/1/05 at 1:29pm
I just posted the anandtech as an example review, and as stated, it mirrors what most every other site has found in performance differences between A64 and p-m. I guess choosing not to trust it is a personal choice, but I have experienced very similar results on systems I have tested myself, as have 95%+ of other sites.
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post #23 of 40
5/1/05 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by FiZi
What socket are our motherboards again? and is the Turion just that a Turion or is it something different like a Clawhammer or Newcastle

Edit: Answered one of my questions, its a socket 754.
Lancaster core ... basically an "E" stepping 90nm A64 (SSE3 enabled).
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post #24 of 40
5/3/05 at 1:52am
Does the Pentium-M really beat down a similar A64 that bad in gaming?
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post #25 of 40
5/7/05 at 7:56pm
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Does the Pentium-M really beat down a similar A64 that bad in gaming?
ONly when the site is funded in part by Intel. In reality, the performance would be much closer, if not an outright case of the A64 spanking the Pentium Ms arse.
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post #26 of 40
5/8/05 at 1:49am
It's a close match really. Pentium-M is a very nice CPU. It's held back by a old high-latency northbridge-based RAM interface, like the P4. I hear it also has a poor FPU compared to Athlon (x87 is better than P4 though, doesn't take much) and its SIMD performance (SSEx) is limited by clock speed (SIMD loves clock speed). It's a pretty nice chip though. I doubt anyone here would say A64 can compete in power usage. Even Turion is only about halfway there.

But all those wonderful power features come with Intel's usual price premium in the market.
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post #27 of 40
5/13/05 at 2:01am
The 2 are very close in performance and I might even give the edge to the Pent-M. The P-M is an extension of the Pentium 3 chip with the quad pumped bus added and a few other bits. The P-M would have the shorter cache pipeline like the Athlon line so the two are very competitive just like the old 'megahertz war' days.

As for power consumption, the P-M is 15W and the Turion MT is 25W. The downside of P-M is that it comes bundled in the Centrino package(CPU+NB+SB+Wireless) while the Turion can, and is, setup as manufacturers desire allowing for nice combinations of laptops.

The price department is a tough place to compete. AMD wins hands down.
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post #28 of 40
5/13/05 at 2:35am
I really could care less about the power consumption. I need raw CPU power.
And am thinking of swapping out my 3000+ for 3700+mobile athlon64.

Any tips on the cheapest place to get one?
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post #29 of 40
5/13/05 at 10:14am
low end PMs may be 15w, because a highend one is 27w
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post #30 of 40
5/14/05 at 7:18pm
So will dual core be available for the 7405gx or do we need a different socket type? Dual core + 100gb 7200rpm =
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post #31 of 40
5/15/05 at 6:32pm
Not sure what socket is in the 7405gx as I don't know anything about it! If it is socket 754, I would say no to dual cores since I have only seen mention of dual core coming to socket 939/940. It may be a marketing thing to phase out 754 sooner but there really isn't a technical reason dual core can't be implemented on 754. Socket 939's main difference to 754 is dual channel and the pins to support it.

I'm ambivalent to dual cores in a laptop. I like to save power but if dual cores have the same or better power management features(maybe one core could be completely shut down on mobiles?!) I would consider it to extend the life of my laptop. Dual cores are around 15% higher current at idle(damn if I can't find that article) and 40% higher at load. The power figures really defied logic but I guess logic can be changed!
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post #32 of 40
5/15/05 at 8:04pm
I think most AMD laptops use S754 if not all. But I had at TheInq that AMD might come out with mobile dual cores, which would probably use S754(if not then it will be M2 or S2).
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post #33 of 40
5/15/05 at 8:38pm
Socket 939 is the dual core formfactor - the only thing you should be able to upgrade to on the 74xx/68xx laptops is the Turion (which uses 754) - but that will likely require a BIOS update.
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post #34 of 40
5/17/05 at 3:51pm
Thread Starter 
Looks like all of us hoping for an Arima Turion laptop built around the same MB as our existing m68xx and gateway series laptops so we could yank a BIOS image to install a Turion in them are screwed.

http://www.arima.com.tw/ViewProduct.asp?View=130

It uses the ATI chipset, not the older VIA, so it's a totally new design, which means we won't be able to do any BIOS raping. :-(

CRAPOLLA!
--Mike
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post #35 of 40
5/17/05 at 6:44pm
it wouldn't make sense for them to come out with a laptop to compete against centrinos which would have a case as big as the shadow case.... the turion is meant to be in thin and light cases...
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post #36 of 40
6/24/05 at 3:12pm
Has anyone finally tested this yet?

I want to grab an ML40 for my M6811!
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post #37 of 40
6/24/05 at 3:15pm
hmm....

*sends Arima an e-mail*
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post #38 of 40
7/5/05 at 11:38pm
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Originally Posted by The Anaconda
hmm....

*sends Arima an e-mail*
Any response yet, my good man?
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post #39 of 40
7/6/05 at 2:46am
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Originally Posted by josh_b
Any response yet, my good man?
nope not yet

I think I'll try one more e-mail tomorrow
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post #40 of 40
7/7/05 at 12:53am
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Originally Posted by The Anaconda
nope not yet

I think I'll try one more e-mail tomorrow
Alrighty...

Be sure to post if you get any reply.
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