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Images May Appear Sparkly or Blurry with WUXGA LCD Displays.

WUXGA LCDs are the highest resolution panels available in the market today. These displays use an industry-standard process that applies a textured coating to the inside of the polarizer to reduce glare and improve light distribution. The WUXGA panel offers nearly twice as many pixels as a WXGA panel [1.3MPixels vs 2.4MPixels]. These pixels are much smaller and denser than on WXGA panels. The smaller size, higher density, and textured coating may cause the display to create a sparkling or blurry effect while using light-colored backgrounds or on a white background, such as word processing applications. This is typical of this technology and is needed to prevent glare and increase viewing angles.

http://support.euro.dell.com/se/sv/k...TT1091681&tag=
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Originally Posted by stigvig
Images May Appear Sparkly or Blurry with WUXGA LCD Displays.

WUXGA LCDs are the highest resolution panels available in the market today. These displays use an industry-standard process that applies a textured coating to the inside of the polarizer to reduce glare and improve light distribution. The WUXGA panel offers nearly twice as many pixels as a WXGA panel [1.3MPixels vs 2.4MPixels]. These pixels are much smaller and denser than on WXGA panels. The smaller size, higher density, and textured coating may cause the display to create a sparkling or blurry effect while using light-colored backgrounds or on a white background, such as word processing applications. This is typical of this technology and is needed to prevent glare and increase viewing angles.

http://support.euro.dell.com/se/sv/k...TT1091681&tag=
Hey I love the display personally, maybe the people who don't like it should go somewhere other then Dell.
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^^ yea maybe if they have the same price as Dell...
post #4 of 36
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Originally Posted by inspiron9200
^^ yea maybe if they have the same price as Dell...
yeah well that's my point, you pay for what you get and with Dell's value people can't be expecting to have top notch LCD screen's. Best bang for my buck and "im lovin it"
post #5 of 36
Stigvig -
You must be working for Dell - Your post makes no sense - You sound like a CSR.......................

The Dell Display problem has to do with the Dell LCD Pixel Matrix and the "Black Lines" that lie above and below each row of Pixel "cells".....
You can easily see this dark thick line separating each and every "row" of pixels on the Dell displays....... This is what causes the "graininess" or "sparkles".......
On High Quality Displays this black line separating the pixel rows is so thin you can barely see it with a magnifier... So that the black visual "component" dosent affect the final image.....
Unfortunatley, not so on the XPS

But you cant see this without a Magnifier......
The naked eye "averages" all of the pixel matrix...

Go Check out a Sony Xbrite Display, or a Toshiba Dsplay - no "Graininess", no "Sparkle".....

Get Dell to put a Decent LCD on this Beautiful Flagship of thiers..........

After returning two XPS machines to them they conceeded that they were working on a better diplay.....

Too late for me
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I have a 14.1 inch diagonal screen with 1400 by 1050 pixels.

According to an internet utility, I have the same pixel density as 1900 by 1200 on a 17 inch diagonal screen.

My Inspiron 8000 does have a sparkly effect with a all white or lime green display. Kinda used to it. Screen does have a matte finish anti-glare coating.

The pictures I have seen of the 9300 "screen sparklies" look way worse than my screen. I can duplicate by wiping a wee bit of water on the screen. The sparklies get bigger.

So, it seems Dell is mis-stating itself (aka misleading us). The WUXGA is not a higher rez than has been produced before?
post #7 of 36
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Originally Posted by jdbaker82
Hey I love the display personally, maybe the people who don't like it should go somewhere other then Dell.
jdbaker82 - so I guess it's "Love it or leave it"
Where have I heard that before ??????
post #8 of 36
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Originally Posted by CanAm
I have a 14.1 inch diagonal screen with 1400 by 1050 pixels.

According to an internet utility, I have the same pixel density as 1900 by 1200 on a 17 inch diagonal screen.

My Inspiron 8000 does have a sparkly effect with a all white or lime green display. Kinda used to it. Screen does have a matte finish anti-glare coating.

The pictures I have seen of the 9300 "screen sparklies" look way worse than my screen. I can duplicate by wiping a wee bit of water on the screen. The sparklies get bigger.

So, it seems Dell is mis-stating itself (aka misleading us). The WUXGA is not a higher rez than has been produced before?
Hey buddy go buy a Sony or Toshiba for $2800.
post #9 of 36
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Originally Posted by jdbaker82
Hey I love the display personally, maybe the people who don't like it should go somewhere other then Dell.
Just my two cents, loved my i9200 but hated the LG, returned it, loved my XPS Gen 2 but hated the LG, returned it. Got another XPS Gen 2 with the Samsung, I'm 100% satisfied now. Why should I have missed out on the XPS when the only thing wrong with it was the LG LCD? LeeU
post #10 of 36
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Originally Posted by jdbaker82
yeah well that's my point, you pay for what you get and with Dell's value people can't be expecting to have top notch LCD screen's. Best bang for my buck and "im lovin it"
jdbaker82 - Yes, you get what you pay for.... As a general rule....BUT YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT DELL ....... I have always expected the finest quality and performance from them.... and they have always lived up to, and exceeded, my expectations. I have an Inspiron 8600 here with the 1920 x 1200 WUXGA screen (15 1/4") - It is a BEAUTIFUL... Wonderful Screen - No Graininess and no Sparkles.... A truly fantastic machine....

Well I do EXPECT Top Notch from Dell, I always had it in the past !!!! Why shouldnt I expect the same excellence in the Future ????
post #11 of 36
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Originally Posted by thehappyman
jdbaker82 - so I guess it's "Love it or leave it"
Where have I heard that before ??????
Well you don't have to love it, but you have to accept it for the price you pay.
post #12 of 36
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Originally Posted by thehappyman
jdbaker82 - Yes, you get what you pay for.... As a general rule....BUT YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT DELL ....... I have always expected the finest quality and performance from them.... and they have always lived up to, and exceeded, my expectations. I have an Inspiron 8600 here with the 1920 x 1200 WUXGA screen (15 1/4") - It is a BEAUTIFUL... Wonderful Screen - No Graininess and no Sparkles.... A truly fantastic machine....

Well I do EXPECT Top Notch from Dell, I always had it in the past !!!! Why shouldnt I expect the same excellence in the Future ????
And how much did you pay for that 8600?
post #13 of 36
I don't know if it's just me or what, but seems to me the more i use this lg screen, the less aparent the sparkles are.. Maybe this screen has a burn in cycle??
post #14 of 36
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Originally Posted by medude
I don't know if it's just me or what, but seems to me the more i use this lg screen, the less aparent the sparkles are.. Maybe this screen has a burn in cycle??
I think it's you eyes/brain compensating. (Seriously) I have one too, and see the same thing, but sometimes I see a glimpse of it, then it shifts more smooth.

The original post is a blurb from Dell. It was posted several weeks ago as well. It is a laughable, but typical, and also false/misleading statement from product marketing. "industry standard"? so far noone else includes "sparkles" in their WUXGA or WSXGA screens. Just Dell trying to put a spin on something they screwed up. It could say: "It is normal for your high resolution screen that you paid more for to yield blurry images."
post #15 of 36
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Originally Posted by stigvig
These pixels are much smaller and denser than on WXGA panels. The smaller size, higher density, and textured coating may cause the display to create a sparkling or blurry effect while using light-colored backgrounds or on a white background, such as word processing applications. This is typical of this technology
I was looking around for a replacement for my current Dell, looks like I should wait a bit more until they brong out a replacement model that fixes the 9300/XPS2 problems.

Because this is not typical of the technology. My two year old Dell 8500 has a 1920x1200 screen, it looks great, there are no flaws, no dead pixels, no 'grain' or 'sparkle' or blurriness.

I would be happy to get something faster and with a much better video card, but not at the expense of having a crappy screen. Dell made a great screen two years ago, how come it got worse in the intervening period?
post #16 of 36
Thread Starter 
Thehappyman>>> No i dont work at Dell...i am just a customer who buy a Dell 9300 wxga, i dont get it yet..but after all threads about sparkles and pixels, noice fans and other bad things about this monitor and notebook i am werry worried...after all post here..i belive im likley going to send it back immediately...

I live in SWEDEN and the support of Dell never heard abaout sparkles and pixelproblems... i dont belive them..

Hopeful i get a Samsung screen,,,looks like its a better deal?
post #17 of 36
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Originally Posted by stigvig

WUXGA LCDs are the highest resolution panels available in the market today.

The WUXGA panel offers nearly twice as many pixels as a WXGA panel [1.3MPixels vs 2.4MPixels].
I guess you havent herad of the QWUXGA from viewsonic, 3840x2500, quadripple the resolution of these WUXGA, also i duno how you are doing your math but a WUXGA comes out to 2.304 megapixels to me not 2.4, not even roundable to 2.4.
Of course my desktop's CRT has a higher pixel desnisty though they are not physical pixels, but smaller than 1920x1200 on a 15.4" screen, 4.92 megapixels on 22"
post #18 of 36
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Originally Posted by thehappyman
Stigvig -
You must be working for Dell - Your post makes no sense - You sound like a CSR.......................

The Dell Display problem has to do with the Dell LCD Pixel Matrix and the "Black Lines" that lie above and below each row of Pixel "cells".....
You can easily see this dark thick line separating each and every "row" of pixels on the Dell displays....... This is what causes the "graininess" or "sparkles".......
On High Quality Displays this black line separating the pixel rows is so thin you can barely see it with a magnifier... So that the black visual "component" dosent affect the final image.....
Unfortunatley, not so on the XPS

But you cant see this without a Magnifier......
The naked eye "averages" all of the pixel matrix...

Go Check out a Sony Xbrite Display, or a Toshiba Dsplay - no "Graininess", no "Sparkle".....

Get Dell to put a Decent LCD on this Beautiful Flagship of thiers..........

After returning two XPS machines to them they conceeded that they were working on a better diplay.....

Too late for me

He doesn't work for Dell, that is ripped directly from Dell's site, he was just informing us about what Dell claims the "issue" to be
post #19 of 36
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Originally Posted by ChrisLilley
I was looking around for a replacement for my current Dell, looks like I should wait a bit more until they brong out a replacement model that fixes the 9300/XPS2 problems.

Because this is not typical of the technology. My two year old Dell 8500 has a 1920x1200 screen, it looks great, there are no flaws, no dead pixels, no 'grain' or 'sparkle' or blurriness.

I would be happy to get something faster and with a much better video card, but not at the expense of having a crappy screen. Dell made a great screen two years ago, how come it got worse in the intervening period?
Same with my 1 1/4 year old 8600 WUXGA - a really great screen....

Home come the screens have gotten worse ???? Somebody made some very bad decisions , thats how come.
post #20 of 36

Dell LG WXGA+ has same problem as LG WUXGA

And I will say again from having had the 9300 WUXGA and now the LG WXGA. Both of mine had/have the same sparkley/grainy/satiny/shimmering/ problem on light coloured backgrounds. So it has nothing to do with the high resolution as the WXGA+ is a much lower resolution than the WUXGA.

Hopefully Dell will come out with a better quality screen soon and can guarantee that any replacements or re-orders will have screens that do not have this sparkley/grainy/satiny/shimmering problem and poor/uneven viewing angles/ brightness. (Assuming that my LG's were/are par for the course and not just aberations)

The argument is that one gets what one is paid for is pure garbage, since the screens and whole system are advertised and promoted as Ultrasharp which implies quality.

Dell systems should be cheaper than many competitors because of economies of scale, their buying power, outsourced manufacturing and support, to low waged countries and a lower cost base because of just in time building and their online model.

If only everyone in this forum would stop complaining about the screens, then maybe more ppl would buy the 9300 and clear out the Dell inventory of these substandard screens that would allow Dell to start buying/distributing better quality 9300 screens for everyone who wants or needs one.
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