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post #21 of 47
5/10/05 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by jcll2002
Thanks for the post. Do you think CS:CZ will be able to run smoothly? Thats about the only game I care about. Also, what should I look for when choosing pc3200? Does it matter if I leave in a 256 stock stick and add in a gig stick at a different speed? Sorry for all the questions.

-jcll2002
I'm not sure about CS:CZ, but someone said HL 2 will run good at lower settings. I would assume CS:CZ should run even better since it's older.

For the memory, you'll need all your memory to be pc3200 so it won't clock down to the lowest spec, which would mean disassembling the laptop to remove that one non-user accessible stick. I would look for a CL rating of no higher than 3. If you don't mind paying a slight premium, crucial.com usually has good memory that they guarantee will work with your system. You can use their memory finder. But even with upgraded memory, you'd probably only notice the difference for very demanding tasks.
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post #22 of 47
5/10/05 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by PiratePast40
Scottman, Quote: "CPU-Z says: Memory channels: single"

I'm puzzled about the single channel message you reported. Is that just something in CPU-Z or are you not actually getting dual channel support. Was this on battery or plugged in?
I just downloaded and ran CPU-Z on my desktop with a 3500+ and it shows dual channel.

On the laptop, could it be something in the bios configuration? Not sure if that's possible since the Northbridge controller is in the CPU for the S939's.
I was plugged in. It was reported in CPU-z and one of the other programs I used. Also, the memory bandwidths seem to indicate this.
I suppose it has something to do with the BIOS configuration. Hopefully, it is just an option that is not turned on by default and a future bios update or more unlocked bios options will restore this? But maybe it is an architecture thing that can't be helped. Either way, I'm satisfied with the current performance for my needs. But of course I would want dual channel if it's possible.
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post #23 of 47
5/15/05 at 1:31am
Hi guys!
First of all you are really good in this filed so when you find time can you give me some advice? I’m looking for some average laptop up to 1200$. I’ve found this through the
shopping.hp.com, for 1073$, after 50$ mail in rebate.
AMD Athlon(TM) 64 3200+ (2.0GHz/512KB L2 Cache)
15.4" WXGA BrightView Widescreen!!
128MB ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M w/Hypermemory(TM)
512MB DDR SDRAM, 60 GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive
DVD+/-RW/R & CD-RW Combo w/Double Layer Support
54g(TM) 802.11b/g WLAN w/ 125HSM/SpeedBooster(TM)
12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery, XP Professional with SP2

Now I’m confused with the two things?
Is it better to have 60GB 5400 HD or 100GB 4200, coz latter one I can pick up at the best&buy for 100 $ extra, or should I wait 15 days to get 60GB 5400 from hp directly?
Also I’m not sure about the warranty? Should I pay for any & will I loose the basic warranty if I order XP home (which will reduce the price for additional 50$) & than installed my own XP pro?
Thanks in advance!
PS: I don’t travel too much (& hardly play any games).
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post #24 of 47
5/15/05 at 9:25am
60gb 5400rpm hard drives are better since they perform better than 4200rpm hdd's. If you want more space then the 80gb 5400rpm hard drive might also be a good option.

Warranty will not be void if you change the OS.
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post #25 of 47
5/15/05 at 4:45pm
Thanks Miner for the fast reply & advises!
The 60GB HD is 50$ cheaper & I thought coz I will get dvd burner that I don’t need some extra HD. Do I have wrong?
Overall I think this configuration is worthy that money, but I found some opinions that it’s me for desktops replacement than as suitable laptops (8 pounds doesn’t seems too much to me). I don’t travel too much but I need it at my work so should I try with dv1000 series which has 14” LCD but also Intel extreme graphic 2 video card?
What do you think about 3yrs extended basic warranty for 180$ from the HP (can I expect that this configuration will be save for 3 yrs w/o major problems).
And is it worthy to add Bluetooth network card instead regular one?
Sorry for bothering you again & thanks!
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post #26 of 47
5/15/05 at 6:19pm
60gb hdd + DVD burner seems like the right mix.

It is a desktop replacement laptop, so I wouldnt really recommend it if you are carrying it to work daily(eventhough I carry my 8lb-laptop to work daily myself ). But for occasional travel the laptop should be fine.

Also check out the DV4000/V4000, they are similar to the dv1000 but with a larger screen and an updated integrated graphics(better than intel extreme graphics2). It weighs around 6.5lbs.

I have had my r3000 for just under a year now and have had no problems at all. I have never really bought an extended warranty for any of my laptops, so I really dont see any need for it, but I will leave that upto you since in the case of electronic goods there will certainly be some questions regarding lemons..
BTW, in the case of HP/Compaq, I think the extended warranty can also be purchased within a year of the date of purchase of the laptop.

Bluetooth - Well, if you use or intend to purchase any bluetooth enabled device such as wireless mouse, printer, PDA(transferring data & files) or cell phone then having an integrated bluetooth connectivity will help, otherwise it wouldnt make any difference when using the laptop.
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post #27 of 47
5/15/05 at 8:20pm
You are such a friend Miner!
I know I’m confused but if you don’t mind & have time...

I’ve just come from the best&buy & office depot stores.
In the 1st one they take off that 200$ mail in rebate from yesterday on hp zv6000, but I was looking at the HP dv1207us, just 5.3 lb, nice clear display but a bit too small (too wide), with Intel Celeron M processor 350; DL DVD±RW/CD-RW drive; 14" widescreen; 60.0GB hard drive; 512MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM; 6-in-1 media reader; Intel Extreme Graphics 2 64MB (shared) for 850$ after 200$ mir.
On the other hand I found at office depot Compaq Presario R4000 with the same performances as HP zv6000 + some cheap printer for 870 after 280$ mir. But I have to wait for this one 22 days for this one, which isn’t a big deal right now.

I agree maybe the best for me is as you suggested hp dv4000, which is pretty similar to my 1st option, hp zv6000, except for processor Intel Pentium M Processor 715A (1.5 GHz) & video card Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900. It cost 1124$ after 50$ mir (with xp home). How big difference is between that processor & video card comparing to the my 1st config of hp zv6000?

Thanks a lot!
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post #28 of 47
5/15/05 at 9:04pm
If you need performance then the zv6000 or the r4000 are the only 2 options. Dedicated graphics cards are much better than any integrated solution. If you are using the laptop for graphics intensive stuff then the 128MB dedicated video card helps. The radeon 200m found in the zv6000/r4000 is decent video card, not the best but will definately outperform the intel gma900 by a good margin.

Between the pentium M and the Athlon64, the athlon64 will definately give better performance but the pentium m is no slouch either and also will give better battery life.

I would stay away from celerons, the only thing going for the celerom m is the price. Performance will be severly hampered since many(important) features found in the pentium m are disabled.

If performance is the most important criteria then the zv6000/r4000 is a good option. They are perfect for almost anybody other than serious gamers.

If mobility is a concern then either the dv1000 or dv4000 is a good option. the dv4000 has a good mix of performance & mobility.
The dv1000 works out if you travel with the laptop quite often.
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post #29 of 47
5/15/05 at 11:00pm
I’ll try to order tomorrow Compaq (as you said it’s pretty the same as the HP, but cheaper for 200$) or if I’ve lost that opportunity I’ll order HP (probably zv6000).
Thanks again, your advices were really helpful.
Wish you all the best!
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post #30 of 47
5/27/05 at 11:49am
I was simply wondering about the included PCI express slot... cuz according to some articles I was poking through, u can stick a new video card in that slot and it'll disable the current graphics card. These are their links... it shows the stardard card doing pretty poorly.. but when u stick in a new card it looks to do ok... or do i just have this all wrong?
http://3dgpu.com/archives/2004/11/08...200g-review/1/
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...0/index.x?pg=1
Cuz it looks like gamers could stick in a real card like a radeon in and be able to play real games.. instead of those 10fps. Or does anyone have any idea if there's room to stick this video card inside of the notebook.
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post #31 of 47
5/27/05 at 4:12pm
yeah I have heard that too.But i think it is more for the desktops than in notebooks.I wiould be intrested in this as An amd 4000 with a 256 mb nvidia geforce will blow any notebook in view for sure.can somebody ask this to HP please?
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post #32 of 47
6/16/05 at 8:28pm
Hp hasnt confirmed anything yet, but an hp zv6000 should support the axiom, ATI's graphics card for laptops with a PCI-E slot, wihch looks to be better than the radeon x200.
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post #33 of 47
6/17/05 at 2:31pm
Can you confirm this? If it is a straight fit I will but it right away.

anybody intending to take the risk of trial???????
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post #34 of 47
6/18/05 at 5:47pm
And what is the use of express card slot anyways?

If anybody gets a powerful gpu in the x300 place as it is a direct fit( some guy put a x300 instead of geforce so vice versa is possible). If some1 carries it out then pleas share the results.
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post #35 of 47
6/22/05 at 6:36pm

Got my CP-R4000.

Hi Miner & rest of the team! Two days ago I received my Compaq P-R4000 lap.
Thanks for helpful advices.

AMD 3200+(2000/512KBL2), 15.4”WXGA Brightview Widescreen 1280x800, 512 DDR SDRAM), ATI Radeon 128 MB Xpress 200M, 60 GB 5400 HD, DVD-RW DL, 12 cell battery, 802.11 b/g, XP Pro w/sp2, HP DJ3847 printer, 1 year manufacture warranty, for $980 (after $280 in mir). Ordering from the Office depot store I got much more in the MiR than I would get by ordering online from the tech depot!

All reviews on this forum about this lap are great & above my capabilities, so I can’t ad much, just few comments. I was waiting for it the whole month (they’ve charged my credit card on the order day). On time, but still too long.Fedex delivered it 2 days earlier – from Shanghai. Haven’t noticed any damages. Works perfectly.
My 1st impressions are the screen & battery. Screen is really great – so bright & sharp & the battery gives about 4 hours (regular use - didn’t try with dvds). Don’t know for how long it will be in that shape! I’m not a gamer at all so can’t comment that part. As someone already mentioned the fan is on all the time (doesn’t bother me, but noticeable).
Overall, it’s a bit heavy for going around, but definitely more than a decent desktop replacement. I’m really satisfied with it.
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post #36 of 47
6/22/05 at 8:55pm
4 hours with a 3200+ looks good. I get around 2.5 with 4000+
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post #37 of 47
6/23/05 at 7:15am
Congrats friend on your new purchase!!

4hrs is pretty awesome for a DTR.
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post #38 of 47
8/30/05 at 5:39pm
I am looking at the 6000 myself but I am curious to know about the Graphics?? Has anyone tried a better card in the PCI slot yet??
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post #39 of 47
8/31/05 at 12:02pm
The graphics are fine. I've played Doom 3 on my 3500, 512mb ram, xpress 200m with 128mb ded. and I had no problems at all and no slow down what-so-ever(including during multiple enemy scenes). I was running it on High with AA turned on. I didnt try it on Ultra because I dont think it would perform well. I'm happy that it runs without a problem on High settings with AA on. Thats suitable for me. I was actually up in grabs on a 9300 or not just to be future proof for the newer generations of games. I ended up just sticking with the ZV6000 though as I can simply use the CardBus slot for my DVI needs(another reason i was looking at the 9300 for) and still have the Express54 slot for future GPU upgrades when they are released. Right now their arent any Express54 GPUs out but they are a few months away. until then though...The 200M should be plenty to hold you over. Also, one thing that I realized was a sort of nice feature..is the fact that...Your basically "double" protected. if anything goes wrong with your internal GPU...simpy plug in an express 54 card and you have 0 downtime...or if the express54 GPU goes bad...simply remove it and you have 0 downtime. Oh and another thing. I've actually went on to hand off my ZV6000 to a friend of mine the other day and I've ordered a secondary ZV6000 with a 3800, gig of ram, lightscribe dvdrw, brightview, BT and Wifi. It just shipped today 2 day(they upgraded me for free!). with the extra gig of ram and the 5400RPM drive i should see a nice improvement in performance. I'm hoping the battery life stays about the same(I got the 12 cell. With the other laptop I was getting 3h 30m per charge). I'm hoping for a venice core. Oh and another thing that swayed me to keep the ZV6000 was the fact that the 9300 was only getting 2 hours of battery life with ext battery(seems odd as it has son. tech.). Oh and personally...I dont think the machine is that heavy at all. And its easy IMO to carry around. Maybe thats just because i'm used to the heavier 7 - 9Ib laptops.
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post #40 of 47
9/1/05 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by Animatronica
...and I've ordered a secondary ZV6000 with a 3800, gig of ram, lightscribe dvdrw, brightview, BT and Wifi. It just shipped today 2 day(they upgraded me for free!). with the extra gig of ram and the 5400RPM drive i should see a nice improvement in performance. I'm hoping the battery life stays about the same(I got the 12 cell. With the other laptop I was getting 3h 30m per charge). I'm hoping for a venice core. Oh and another thing that swayed me to keep the ZV6000 was the fact that the 9300 was only getting 2 hours of battery life with ext battery(seems odd as it has son. tech.). Oh and personally...I dont think the machine is that heavy at all. And its easy IMO to carry around. Maybe thats just because i'm used to the heavier 7 - 9Ib laptops.
Where did you order it from...sounds exactly what I am looking for but am hesitant to order from HP as a custom...could take weeks to arrive. Thank you in advance for the info.

Lewiedude.
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