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Poll Results: What option do you like in regards to a new larger battery?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 5% (7)
    The current batteries are fine
  • 37% (51)
    I'd like a larger main battery (7-8000+mah) to be available
  • 4% (6)
    If yes to #2, this battery should be made standard with an increase in price
  • 30% (42)
    If yes to #2, this battery should be an optional upgrade while ordering
  • 22% (31)
    If yes to #2, this battery should be available to 56xx owners to upgrade to, post ordering
137 Total Votes  
post #21 of 62
9/26/03 at 5:14pm

Re: Re: long life is good

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Originally posted by phubar
You're missing the point. If you want more battery life, buy another two batteries, and hot-swap them as necessary. You'll get all the battery life you want - while still being able to have a smaller, lighter laptop for when battery life isn't necessary.

Or simply choose a seat in the classroom next to a power outlet and plug in during class.

Getting a single larger battery would increase size, cost, and weight for everyone. Multiple hotswappable batteries give everyone the option to balance cost, weight, and battery life for themselves.


-phubar
Would u care to explain to me how buying multiple batteries to swap is easier or cheaper than one higher capacity battery???
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post #22 of 62
9/26/03 at 6:58pm
Or how it makes the laptop lighter as you still have to carry around extra batts?

Powerlaptops shouldn't be concerned with weight unless it's like doubling it or more. 10lbs plus another 2-5 I wouldn't give a rats ass if it could give me a few hours of intense usage.
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post #23 of 62
9/26/03 at 7:37pm
Hot Swap batteries should be just that. Hot swappable. No fumbling, not tools. Just flip some latches, out comes the spent battery, in goes the charged one. How could that be a problem. If properly designed, it should be possible to do it without picking up the laptop. It should be possible to manage it with one hand and there's no reason it can't be.

If it can be done on the 56xx series, why not the others? I'd rather have a several smaller multiple batteries than one big mother. That way, I can choose to haul the whole array or just part of it. If I was in a class, which normally last an hour to an hour and a half, I could take two, if I were in a lab, well, I'd likely plug in as those usually last a lot longer but I could bring several swapping out batteries between classes while they recharged in my car or my cubicle (at Cal Poly, we had personal cubicles that were literally our homes).
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post #24 of 62
9/26/03 at 9:25pm
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Originally posted by atbear
They already did this with this 5680 release, and they didn't redesign anything. They can do it, it's just, will they?
It could be they started using a new type of cell, like Lithium Polymer instead of Lithium Ion.

Does anyone know what the 5670 battery ratings were (in Mah) and the new 5680 battery rating?

If it is less than a 1AH difference then the energy density of the battery was increased with new cells. If you want a jump from a 4AH battery to an 8AH, well that isn't happening, like I said, unless battery desnity were doubled, and that requires either A) voiding laws of physics, or B) a new battery technology other than Lithium Ion/Polymer.


For example, my Thinkpad 600x has a standard 3.2AH battery, but there are aftermarket 3.6AH batteries available which use either Lithium Polymer cells, or a larger capacity Lithium Ion cell than what IBM used in the design of their batteries. To increase AH by double would be impossible unless you had the battery stick out the bottom of the laptop.
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post #25 of 62
9/26/03 at 9:31pm
Thread Starter 
5670: 4000mah
5680: 4400mah
Alienware: 8800mah
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post #26 of 62
9/26/03 at 11:36pm
http://www.alienware.com/system_page...e/battery.aspx

maybe the AW battery is Larger in size and weight and use more cells. the AW doesn't have a FDD so their ONE battery = TWO of 5680? drop the floppy like the AW and you have what you are asking for that's if the 2nd battery for the 5680 is also 4400mah then you would have your 8800mah.

so in short Sager do have to redesign the laptop if you want a single 8800mah battery and lose something to make room for 4400mah more.
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post #27 of 62
9/26/03 at 11:41pm
Thread Starter 
The second battery is 3400 mah, and it goes in place of the FDD. That's still not as much as the Alienware, and with two batteries! The Alienware one looks to not take up much more room than one 5680 battery. I love the dual battery system, pretty awesome. But I would REALLY love to have a more powerful main battery to up battery life even more. I'm not worried about the weight, I'd love to have more power! At least give us the option.... most of us would buy one! or two...............
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post #28 of 62
9/26/03 at 11:46pm
And who bloody well needs a floppy? Its dang near useless. I'd much rather have that bay available for something useful. A battery, either bigger or more, another drive, a card reader, anything.

So, yes, SAGER needs to redesign, but its not like they have to start from scratch, all they have to do is lose the totally useless floppy. Not a really big deal. Afterall, AW has done it already, its part of the casing design which means that CLEVO has the case already designed, already made. No problem.
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post #29 of 62
9/26/03 at 11:48pm
you didn't get it.

look at the AW link, AW doesn't have a floppy drive, noone here seen the AW battery, what if their battery has double the CELLs of the Sager pri battery? and takes the entire front area of the AW laptop? which it's why there is no floppy drive on the AW. then there is noway for the 5680 to have a larger pri battery unless the floppy drive is also removed. so what you should be asking for is not a larger pri battery but a larger 2nd battery, so you need to ask sager to up the 3400mah 2nd battery to 4400mah then you would have your 8800mah.
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post #30 of 62
9/26/03 at 11:48pm
Battery life is not directly porportional to battery weight. You can have a battery marginally heavier (maybe half a pound) than the current battery but with two times or three times the capacity...

Heck I have a 4000mah battery for my RC car...and this laptop only has a 4400 mah battery sickening!!
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post #31 of 62
9/26/03 at 11:50pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by gsferrari
Heck I have a 4000mah battery for my RC car...and this laptop only has a 400 mah battery sickening!!
I don't think that's right man.... I believe your laptop battery is 4000mah.
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post #32 of 62
9/26/03 at 11:58pm
gsferrari


edited my post REAL fast...before you made yours

Man you are too quick hee hee
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post #33 of 62
9/27/03 at 12:01am
Thread Starter 
So what do you think? Would you buy a 8000+ mah primary battery for your 5660 or new 5680? I know I would for mine!
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post #34 of 62
9/27/03 at 12:02am
Definitely...8000mah primary with a 5000mah dual would be amazing!!
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post #35 of 62
9/27/03 at 12:02am
Yeah but the RC car doesn't need 12volts or however much, so by cutting voltage output in half in the same space you could double storage capacity. IOW, a 12volt pack at 4000mah would have the same size as a 24volt pack at 2000mah, or 6volt pack at 8000mah.

So then, does anyone know what the voltages are for the Alienware battery and the sager batteries, and also the sizes? Or better yet, has anyone dissected either (or both!) of those batteries?

I wonder if it would be worth emailing Sager and Alienware?
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post #36 of 62
9/27/03 at 12:07am
Thread Starter 
Yep... right now for the 5680 it's 4400mah primary and 3400mah dual for a total of 7800mah total with two batteries. I'd love to have a 8000mah primary coupled with the 3400 second battery for a total of 11400mah! Anything around this would be awesome! There's definately a market!
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post #37 of 62
9/27/03 at 12:10am
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RC car doesn't need 12volts
The one I have now uses 11.5 volts...3 17 turn motors, 3 speed gearbox, headlights, taillights and a 3 mile Radio...

Its going on sale soon gotta make some $$$ for the 5680
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post #38 of 62
9/27/03 at 1:30am
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Originally posted by Tenchi
http://www.alienware.com/system_page...e/battery.aspx

maybe the AW battery is Larger in size and weight and use more cells. the AW doesn't have a FDD so their ONE battery = TWO of 5680? drop the floppy like the AW and you have what you are asking for that's if the 2nd battery for the 5680 is also 4400mah then you would have your 8800mah.

so in short Sager do have to redesign the laptop if you want a single 8800mah battery and lose something to make room for 4400mah more.
That looks like a relatively huge battery to me.. from the picture.. Who goes and buys a sager for battery life anyway? I go for performance... not how far i can go away from an outlet
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post #39 of 62
9/27/03 at 4:09pm
Thread Starter 
Yeah, it's big, but so is ours... it doesn't look much bigger than ours. Doesn't look any wider... I didn't buy a Sager for weight either. I'd rather it weight another pound, and get 30mins to an hour more battery life!
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post #40 of 62
9/27/03 at 4:50pm
Ya. Why can't I have a primary 8800 plus an alternate 8800 in the extra bay?
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