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Nobody seems to produce the laptop that I want. :(

post #1 of 126
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I doubt I am alone.
All I want is a Pentium-M laptop with an ATI Radeon 9600m.

After many hours of research, I have come across dozens of Pentium-4 and Pentium-4M laptops with Radeon 9600's, and plenty of Pentium-M laptops with ATI Radeon 7500/9000's and integrated graphics, and one--the Dell i8600--with a GF FX5650 Go.

What is the point in having a gaming laptop of you can't actually run any game for more than about two hours? Isn't portability the idea behind laptops?
Further, what is the point in getting a fast Pentium-M if it will be used strictly for office applications? I can run StarOffice/MSOffice/Visual C++ just fine on an AMD K6-300.

I think that Dell has the right idea (powerful, game-capable laptop that lasts longer than two hours on battery), just--they chose the wrong graphics processor, one which has been shown to be slow at least with Half-Life 2 and certain other DirectX-9 benchmarks. I doubt that a new driver will help much other than by reducing image quality.

I have heard about the new HP laptop that meets the specs listed, but HP is crap.

Gigabyte is apparently going to build just such a laptop, but they are very new in the market and are therefore a very risky choice. (That, and both the HP and Gigabyte laptops aren't available in the U.S. yet).

Does anybody make a laptop that fullfills these two relatively common, but rarely paired requirements? Please, help!

Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 126
Now.. dont get me wrong... The centrino is a fine CPU, and does great. But, its not a gaming chip. It still falls behind the modern P4, probably because of its low FSB.

I guess i am just not really understanding you. Why would you run any gaming laptop on batteries while gaming? I cant imagine more than one or two times i would be actually trying to game when i am away from a power source. Past that, i would be near an outlet.

I think your missing the whole point of the Centrino system. They are made to be portable, have good battery life, and DECENT performance. They are not top end, and they are not made to keep up with the big dogs (P4C's, AMD A64s). They are made to give good OFFICE and system performance, for the modible professional. Thats it.
post #3 of 126
My dell inspiron 8200 runs just about any game I want on it. I run 2k3 at 1600x1200 full settings just fine. Dual batteries so I could play for awhile if I wanted to, but keep in mind most lappys on battery reduce their processor, and graphics card power. That includeds the 8600. So its not gonna perform well on batteries. Called speedstep. I dont know if youve owned a lappy before, but I dont think there are many out there that the batts will last a long time under a heavy load like gaming.
post #4 of 126
Once again... please tell me why you are gaming under battery power... it makes NO sence...
post #5 of 126
Thread Starter 
The game-capable laptops that I have seen appear to have a terrible battery life regardless of the action. A PowerLaptops.com representative stated that the Sager 8890, which is a HUGE laptop, presumably capable of holding sizeable batteries, lasts perhaps two hours on battery.
I understand that the Pentium-M is no competition for a Pentium IV, but it is a capable chip that, when paired with a good 3D chip, should be able to holds its own. It's lower FSB performance isn't really the reason--the Athlon has a far slower FSB than the Pentium IV and outperforms it in many applications, particularly when paired with apps which have optimizations for the chip. It's a matter of architecture. The Pentium IV is horribly inefficient with its FSB bandwidth, thus having an extremely fast FSB plays a large part in its performance. While I have no information on the Pentium-M's efficiency with its FSB, I have little doubt that doubling the clockspeed of the FSB of either the Athlon or the Pentium-M would have very little effect on performance.
While the P4 is a respectable chip by any measure, the typical power usage at 3GHz is a staggering 89W, whereas the typical power usage of the not-quite-as-fast-but-close-enough PM@1.7GHz is merely 24.5W, or 6W (yes, SIX watts) when in power-saver mode@600MHz (which is fine for any office app).
I appreciate the advice that no modern laptop is ideal for gaming on battery. In that case, I would still like one that is more than capable when on A/C power, and has a good battery life when on battery (say, 4 hours-ish). It still seems that the P-M is a better choice for this.
That said, the Dell i8600 does seem almost ideal, except for of course the widely publicized DirectX 9 performance, which, from the numbers, appears to be about as fast as a dead slug stuck in frozen molasses.
Regarding the Inspiron i8200, most of those have the mobile P4 chips, which drain far less power than the desktop chips. (Which begs the question: Why not implement this in the desktop chips to reduce power consumption?).

Now, once a laptop like this does show up, I will of course have to research its game performance. If the P-M can't handle it, I will of course have to get something else, but here's hoping for both battery life and game abilities.

All that said, does anyone know of a possible release date for a P-M laptop with a R9600? I would greatly appreciate any knowledge the members here might offer.
You are all right--I have NEVER owned a laptop, and honestly do not know what my usage patterns will be. I can only guess, and ask those that are in similar situations for their advice.
post #6 of 126
Mmh, don't know about release dates or resellers, but there is a notebook with centrino and ATI 9600:

Arima

Marlboro
post #7 of 126
Yeah and noone makes the laptop I want that will go to work for me and bring home dinenr at the end of the day. I am sorry for the sarcasm but bitching about stuff that doesnt exist then bitching about the low battery life on the 8890 is annoying. The 8890/5680/ laptop gaming machines are desktop replacements - they dont claim to have good battery life - nor do they claim to be for gaming off the ac line. They are mobile gaming machine and desktop laptops.

I suggest waiting - probably a couple more months - for the centrino gaming machines to be released.
post #8 of 126
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I suggest waiting - probably a couple more months - for the centrino gaming machines to be released.
What gaming centrinos are you talking about?
post #9 of 126
My inspiron 8200 gets close to 4 hours under normal use. Surfing im'ing ect. About 3 like using a dvd. This is with dual 4460mha batteries.
post #10 of 126

pentium M + 2600 all the way!

Im with Sivar.Except I also want 15.4 widescreen (or smaller) and 6lbs or less. Right now im waiting for the Gigabyte N601, even tho it looks like I may have to jump on a plane to go pick one up (I live in the United States Gigabyte has no system resellers here ).
I also personally think there are supply problems with the Radeon 9600 thats why things are takeing so long.I just hope I can preorder before December or the Holiday rush will most likely block me from getting good hardware till January.
My reasons for wanting this configuration are simple.I travel often and do graphics and sound design, along with a little bit of programing and web design.The pentium M will give me the power(Divine_Madcat how do you compare the M and 4?By mHZ or position in development chain?) to do these tasks with out sacrificeing battery life, weight, and thinnes of platform.The Radeon9600 will insure I can use my new system to enjoy my 3d/directX9 based creations and others creations for the next year or so.Widescreen is because if im spending this much of my hard earned cash(and waiting this long/putting this much effort into reaserch) I deserve a little extra, dont you think?
post #11 of 126
Radeon 2600??? Wasnt that way back in the 60's or 70's ??
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post #13 of 126
Alt and Sivar, what you don't realize is that there is a great cyber conspiracy (probably Madcat something to do with it) that is controlling the market specifically to thwart your dreams.

Bwahahahahahahahahah!!!!!

Complain all you want, you'll never get your ideal laptop, not even in Lichtenstein.
post #14 of 126
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Originally posted by MARQUISDARQUIS
Complain all you want, you'll never get your ideal laptop, not even in Lichtenstein.
Im not complaining, im waiting.Ready to spring, with my eye on the prize.
post #15 of 126
you would have to get the dell and wait on there 9600 i hear its shipping problem related same as is for the alienware heh ati has the chance to snatch the market and they aint got the supply to meet the demand tisk tisk
post #16 of 126
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Originally posted by Maverick2o2
get the dell and wait on there 9600
If I wanted to buy a laptop and "hopefully" upgrade i would most likley get a compaq x1000.Not that dell is a bad company I just like the styleing of the x1000 a little better. But as things sit now im happy to wait.
But otherwise I totally agree, I also think we are waiting for ATI.
post #17 of 126
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Originally posted by MARQUISDARQUIS
Alt and Sivar, what you don't realize is that there is a great cyber conspiracy (probably Madcat something to do with it) that is controlling the market specifically to thwart your dreams.

Bwahahahahahahahahah!!!!!

Complain all you want, you'll never get your ideal laptop, not even in Lichtenstein.
huh?
post #18 of 126
So whats up madcat this your fault?

Well I have a little update.
I got a letter from VoodooPC today saying :
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Keep in mind that we may see either our m:355 have a 9600 Mobility built-in or the m:460 completely updated with a Pentium M processor in the next 60 days.
Im sure that there will be more than a few systems out by that time.
post #19 of 126
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Originally posted by Alt
So whats up madcat this your fault?

Well I have a little update.
I got a letter from VoodooPC today saying : Im sure that there will be more than a few systems out by that time.
Thanks, Alt. You bring with you, hope!
VoodooPC is a bit pricey compared to Sager, but if they bring what the people demand (or at least are one of the first to resell it), more power to them.
post #20 of 126
Did I mention that I also want something wraped in a mostly metal case?
Yea its good to want things.
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