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XPS2 on order...Bluetooth Mouse?

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
As the title says, I have an XP@ 2 on order, right now it's in that 'boxing' stage. Should get here by the 10th, at the latest, according to Dell.

Anyways, I got it with the internal Bluetooth module, with the intent of using a Bluetooth mouse. Specifically, the MS Intellimouse Explorer with Bluetooth(IMEXw/BT for short). Now, reading over the MS page on the IMEXw/BT, I see that it uses a USB adapter/dongle to recieve the bluetooth from the mouse. Can I do without this dongle, and instead use the internal BT reciever in my XPS 2? This was, of course, the whole point of the BT module in the XPS 2 for me, at least, not having to have a seperate dongle plugged in just for the mouse.

Anyone have any ideass about this?
Thanks
Dave
post #2 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caelric
As the title says, I have an XP@ 2 on order, right now it's in that 'boxing' stage. Should get here by the 10th, at the latest, according to Dell.

Anyways, I got it with the internal Bluetooth module, with the intent of using a Bluetooth mouse. Specifically, the MS Intellimouse Explorer with Bluetooth(IMEXw/BT for short). Now, reading over the MS page on the IMEXw/BT, I see that it uses a USB adapter/dongle to recieve the bluetooth from the mouse. Can I do without this dongle, and instead use the internal BT reciever in my XPS 2? This was, of course, the whole point of the BT module in the XPS 2 for me, at least, not having to have a seperate dongle plugged in just for the mouse.

Anyone have any ideass about this?
Thanks
Dave

I have yet to see a MS mouse with supported bluetooth.... I have the Kensignton BT from Dells website, it cost 66$. So the MS mouse your speaking of needs the transmitter to be plugged in in order to work.
post #3 of 26
Thread Starter 
Umm, wrong answer, thanks for the help, though

I was talking about this one:

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mo...s.aspx?pid=032

In other words, yes, this MS mouse supports Bluetooth. Whether it does it with the transmitter plugged in, or can be used with the internla BT on the XPS 2 is what I am asking.

Dave
post #4 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caelric
Umm, wrong answer, thanks for the help, though

I was talking about this one:

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mo...s.aspx?pid=032

In other words, yes, this MS mouse supports Bluetooth. Whether it does it with the transmitter plugged in, or can be used with the internla BT on the XPS 2 is what I am asking.

Dave
My mistake... Of course you can use it without the external bluetooth adapter... Bluetooth is bluetooth is bluetooth.
post #5 of 26
so pricey for the MS one...but that's ultimately the goal for myself. will probably get a cheap USB one to do me for the summer and pick up that MS one in a bit.

Reading on these forums the MX900 has issues with the 9300 (and probably XPS2) so maybe stay away from that one?
post #6 of 26
Thread Starter 
I know Bluetooth is Bluetooth, is BT, but you never know. I've heard of people having weird problems. Was hoping someone had tried it out.

Anyways, thanks again
Dave
post #7 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caelric
I know Bluetooth is Bluetooth, is BT, but you never know. I've heard of people having weird problems. Was hoping someone had tried it out.

Anyways, thanks again
Dave

I have that same mouse but it's USB wireless... Really nice mouse how much is the BT one?

EDIT:

Wow, found it here
at Overstock for $50... Cheaper then the free 66$ Kensington I got from Dell.
post #8 of 26
I have used the Logitech MX 900 and the MS BT mouse, the MX900 is the best, works 100% and does not loose it connection the MS mouse goes to sleep too soon..
post #9 of 26
I've been using the mx900 for a little under a week. I'm thinking of getting the Microsoft BT mouse because of the ergonomics. MS mice have always felt better to me. The MX900 I have now has some issues with wake-up latency. Takes a little bit to start moving when it's been resting after I type something. Also, when I'm moving the mouse around and if I pick it up and put it back down, it pauses for a second when it gets set down. Like it's refocusing or something. It was free, so I can justify trying out the MS one.
post #10 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdbaker82
Wow, found it here
at Overstock for $50... Cheaper then the free 66$ Kensington I got from Dell.
Just FYI, the one on overstock is the old version of this mouse (model number M60-00001 versus model number M60-00006 on newegg).

I'm thinking about getting this mouse myself because I've heard it has much better battery life than the MX900, and I don't want a mouse that uses a cradle. Anyone else have any experience with this particular mouse?
post #11 of 26
I have the msoft "bluetooth desktop elite" (looks like the one Caelric posted)and use it on my 9100 and use the internal bluetooth with 0 issues. There were some issues with the original msoft bluetooth mice and keyboards not working unless you used the dongle - stay away from the old ones for use on the dell laptops with bluetooth.

There are only 2 complaints I have: 1. the msoft software kinda conflicts with whatever software on the 910 controls volume etc becuase the keyboard had controls on it as well. Everything still works just when you change volume you get the msfot graphic for volume and the dell one. Some of the other ones like play etc I don't use so I don't know - I just use the brightness and the volume. This conflict is with the microsoft keyboard software and the dell - NOT hardware. 2. The mouse has no true "off" so when I take it on the road I remove the batteries so that when its in the bag and rustling around it doesn't "wake up".

The other option is the bluetake BT500 mouse. Its very small and portable and works perfect (and has an off switch). The really small form factor .. well some people like it some don't. It is a little more picky on the surface than the msoft... ie the msoft one works on most tables and stuff where the bluetake it seems like I always needs to be on a pad or on paper.

edit: yes the msoft one has amazing battery life - especially if you remove the batteries before taking it anywhere.
post #12 of 26
Is there any lag on the Microsoft BT Intellimouse? Specifically with the wake-up? Like if I'm typing something for a minute or so and move the mouse, does it pick-up instantly, or do you have wait for it to catch up?
post #13 of 26
I have the MS Desktop Elite as well, and I am very happy with both keyboard and mouse. There is some wake up lag, but not much, and I have never had it go to sleep on me while doing anything.

Be very carefull when you buy, as there are still a lot of the old version of the Intellimouse around that are not Bluetooth 2.0. The 2.0 version has less problems with interference and better battery life. Check Microsoft's web site for the correct part number before you click "Send Order."
post #14 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrbryner
...I'm thinking of getting the Microsoft BT mouse because of the ergonomics. MS mice have always felt better to me....
Which is why I want the MS Intellimouse over any others. Whatever other problems MS has, I like the ergonomics of their mice.

Thanks for all the help, everyone. I will be getting the above quoted mouse, now that I feel confident it will work without the dongle.

Dave
post #15 of 26
http://www.iogear.com/main.php?loc=product&Item=GME225B

My XPS is also on order. I wanted a smaller mouse to put in my XPS backpack as opposed to a full size one taking up space. I went with this. It is mid-way between a really mini one and a full size one. I saw some info on the MS mouse you are talking about and it didn't work very well. Also it has a cradle thing and the batteries don't last long. This one had great reviews except for some people with admitedly big hands not liking it, but even the folks that said it was too small still said it was a great mouse. It has an on/off switch to conserve battery life when it is not being used. It has two NiMh AAA batteries and recharges via a USB cable, so even when the batteries are dead you can use the mouse and be charging it at the same time. I got it a buy.com for $38.99 and free shipping. Half the price of the MS product. I haven't used it yet, it's still on order but sounded like the right one for me.
post #16 of 26
Thread Starter 
Err, no. It does not have a cradle. Not sure about the battery life, but I have a Intellimouse Wireless (not bluetooth) that I use with my desktop, and the battery life is great, it uses 2 AA batterys.

Anyways, I do have big hands, and the ergonomics of the MS Intellimouse work really well for me.

Thanks for trying to help, though
Dave
post #17 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Armchair Ninja
I have the MS Desktop Elite as well, and I am very happy with both keyboard and mouse. There is some wake up lag, but not much, and I have never had it go to sleep on me while doing anything.

Be very carefull when you buy, as there are still a lot of the old version of the Intellimouse around that are not Bluetooth 2.0. The 2.0 version has less problems with interference and better battery life. Check Microsoft's web site for the correct part number before you click "Send Order."
Any link to where to check that? I just bought one as part of the keyboard combo set and am wondering if it's the right one? It says on the underneath Model:1001 and also at the top I have the # 202NY546701.

So far though I'm liking it a little more than the mx900. Not good for games though, it seems to have some trouble keeping up with quick movements.
post #18 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdbaker82
My mistake... Of course you can use it without the external bluetooth adapter... Bluetooth is bluetooth is bluetooth.
Unrelated to BT mice, but still good to know...
Early Motorola phones that were marketed as Bluetooth were actually not completely Bluetooth. Although it did use a modified (or stripped down) Bluetooth protocol to talk to its headset, it in fact was not Bluetooth and could not connect to PC's. The PC would detect the phone and headset, but no connection was possible. Motorola got into trouble for this and now all phones sold with Bluetooth are fully functional.
post #19 of 26
Monday, picked up the MS Elite Bluetooth Desktop 2.0 on ebay for $71 (the seller seems to have unlimited supply, as new ones go every hour).
Works great.

It comes with a tiny Bluetooth 2.0 transceiver that you can use with any other PC that lacks Bluetooth. Not needed with Dells internal Bluetooth, so sorta an added bonus. I'll use it with my desktop HTPC.

The old version that had issues was not the Elite. Other differences are the Elite (newer version) has the tiny transceiver, and the Elite has a scroll wheel on the keyboard. Keyboard is huge. Newer Elite mouse has the scroll wheel tilt left/right, which I don't think non-Elite's Desktops had.

Because I am using Dell Bluetooth 300, I tested range with desktop using the MS included transceiver. While the MS transceiver is Bluetooth 2, the IntelliMouse Explorer for Bluetooth is using Bluetooth 1.1 (or whatever the previous standard was). Don't know if keyboard is 2 or 1.1? But, range may indicate. Keyboard easily works perfectly from 3 rooms away, through walls, or about 50 ft away. Mouse is only good for about 10 ft. This may have something to do with batteries used though, since the keyboard is using higher voltage Alkalines, while the mouse uses lower voltage NiMH 2000's.?.?

Back to using Dell Bluetooth 300. Pairing was instant, with no MS software needed. Later I did install the MS software so that I could program additional keys and buttons. It did not mess with any drivers or make any changes in device manager, which is good.

Gaming is perfect. Was worried by all the reports about lag making it impossible for gamers. WRONG!!! Enjoyed about 7 hours of HL2, and it was no different than corded MS Optical mouse. No problems with lag at all. Keyboard also had no lag. Neither unit went to sleep during gaming. Mouse scroll wheel does not click, so that can be tricky when selecting weapons. Didn't take long to get used to it. Click wheel like MX900 uses would have been better.
post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 
Great, thanks for the great review, exactly what I was looking for!

Dave
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