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post #101 of 119
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Originally Posted by JoshuasGTO
Appreciate the info Luke.

You know, though I tend to understand why Sager might take the position they have on this utility - I have to say that they sure seem a little less than "customer friendly" when it comes to support.

Maybe that is why they have a 4.6 out of 10 lifetime rating for customer satisfaction on resellerratings.com compared to PCTorques 9.9 out of 10 lifetime rating! :

http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1693.html
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller3048.html
yeppers. PW3D
post #102 of 119
Ok, even though I told my friend about the void warranty thing, he is still using this program to adjust the fan noise, because he just can't stand it. What sometimes happens to my friend's laptop, when he closes the program, it sets the fan speed bar at 100%, and the fans spin out of control even long after I kill the application. Killing the app is supposed to bring it back to original factory settings. Does this happen to any of your friends' laptops?
post #103 of 119
I personally am going to use it. I don't really care about fan noise I want my laptop cooller... this will help it last longer and perform better....
post #104 of 119
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Originally Posted by Eingang
Just to mention (again):

If you turn on "User Set" "SetOn", ALL Fans stop working automatically and are in the user´s control. That means f.e. VGA fan STAYS at the speed that it´s set to. Normally in idle, VGA Fan speed is not too high, about 40%.

So NEVER SetOn UserSet and leave it wihtout being aware that now your manual settings for all fans stay as they are. If you SetOn UserSet in Idle and play something afterwards, GPU will melt down because fan just stays at a low value. First SetOff and then you can do whatever - this is how it seems to work here so far, I´m just testing it.
Hey,

Thanks for that great heads up Eingang. My friend just told me the CPU is the default select for the 'Fan Speed' bar. However, you can select the DDR fan and the VGA fan in the 'Fan Select' box located just above the bar. Selecting these fans will bring up another 'Fan Speed' bar. So, make sure if you haven't mastered setting the trip points yet, and you see the VGA temps getting hot, switch over to the VGA fan and move it up to cool the graphics card down. It’s not really that loud. My friend always keeps the DDR fan at 100%, since you can barely hear that too.

Oh man, he said he loves his Sager soooo much more since he can turn down the fan noise!!!!
(but I can't blieve some people still use this after the warning from Sager )
post #105 of 119
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Originally Posted by taliosfalcon
well, if you take out your battery, disconnect from ac and hold down your power button for 10 mins it will reset everything to stock settings, this is what i have just done along w/ a reformat, warranties more important to me than cooler temps....or at least thats what i'd be saying if i ever used afore mentioned software which i havent .....
actually if you just turn off the machine, unplug the adapter and wait a bit, it will reset; no need to disconnect the battery.
post #106 of 119

But there is a solution ..... :(

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Originally Posted by Luke@PCTorque
Just to make everyone fully aware of this, this is the response I got from Sager regaurding the fan utility being used.

This is very sad. It would be more appropriate if Sager/Clevo etc provided users who cannot stand the noise, with a fixed trip mode update in a form of an executable file.Just like a patch. So no worries of providing users the probability of burning their laptop by putting too optimistic settings. A fix that installs the correct values in the registry, so that the user has both quiet and not so hot laptop.

For example, i noticed these values when working on office applications web browsing - not too stressing:
Default setting :7% fan speed cpu => 47 C cpu. NOISY
My setting :4% fan speed cpu => 53-55 C cpu. QUIET.

On battery mode i can put 3% fan speed and have 50-52 C !

We face the noise because the cpu must be set below 50 C! I believe that 55 C is an ok temperature for a laptop cpu. Besides, the temperature of the CPU reaches 60 C when gaming, with the manufacturer setting (quick fan speed).

So the best would be to put this threshold, and then when cpu temperature reaches 60 C, increasing the cpu fan to 8% for example. When it reaches
52 C, reducing the fan speed to 4% again. A second adjustment would have to do with the fast rate of temperature increase:If the cpu overcomes 62 C, the apply 75% fan speed and when it reaches 67 apply 100% fan speed.

Summing up, i think that there is a solution to the noisy laptop problem,
and avoiding the possibility of burning the system. It is just a matter
of correct trip mode setting. I believe that if a group of users decide to work on this, each user for a specific model of Sager/Clevo laptop, we can calculate and provide to the Sager/Clevo programmers excellent adjustments
of cpu/ddr /vga fan and then have their approval and an update that is official and does not breaks the warranty.

I understand that increased average temperature reduces the life. But come to think that by the time our laptop dies, we will have already bought a new system! They say that 10 degrees reduces the life to half. But we are talking for only a 5-7 degree increase here. Furthermore the life can be many many years. I still have my pentium 1 (1994) , pentium 2(1997) working.

According to this, if the laptop lasts for example 10 years, and the setting cuts its life to the half( which is not the truth, it cuts less!), i have to say that five years are more than enough in the world of computers. I will have ALREADY changed the laptop sooner with a128 bit cpu, windows LongLeg, 16 GB RAM by then (so that i can play far cry 3)


One last point : in the current manufacturer's setting, (during winter and when in idle mode) the cpu reaches 60 the fan starts, the cpu cools down to 45 C and then warms back to 60 C and so on. The average temperature of CPU is 52 C (a very rough estimation though) Well....i prefer my CPU has a CONSTANT temperature of 55 C than having this continuous STRESSING fluctuations of temperature (bad:continuous contractions and expansions of components because of temperature change). The latter is harmful for the CPU.
post #107 of 119
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Originally Posted by Alex_29
One last point : in the current manufacturer's setting, (during winter and when in idle mode) the cpu reaches 60 the fan starts, the cpu cools down to 45 C and then warms back to 60 C and so on. The average temperature of CPU is 52 C (a very rough estimation though) Well....i prefer my CPU has a CONSTANT temperature of 55 C than having this continuous STRESSING fluctuations of temperature (bad:continuous contractions and expansions of components because of temperature change). The latter is harmful for the CPU.

This last point I think it´s the most important of all. High temperature averages shorten the cpu´s life, but an average that is a couple of degrees higher, along with a shorter RANGE of fluctuations I think it will be better in the end.
post #108 of 119
Another important note is that I think the processor will burn out before the fans stop working. Therefore I'll continue to use this program.
post #109 of 119
I´d say 50-55C are normal and okay in everyday´s office/surfing/working situations. Overall power is 16,29V * Ampere, as seen in GetThermal normally from 3-6A power is in range between 50 and 100W. As this is overall I ask myself what is just for CPU, but as I have 51C with 57W av this temp is still okay for 30W cpupc. 27W for the rest of the system - is this realistic ? Is here anyone who knows how much percent of idle (and gaming) voltage belongs to the CPU ?

Thermal Specs of 5xx and 6xx CPUs (Chapter 5.1.1):

ftp://download.intel.com/design/Pent...s/30235103.pdf
ftp://download.intel.com/design/Pent...s/30638201.pdf
post #110 of 119
I think roughly 2/3 of a system's power usage is the cpu. 120W ac adapter and an 81? watt processor in my 4780 i think.
post #111 of 119
please anwser because i dont understand..
i use getthermal only to monitorate the system but i would like to know:
-system is the temp of hard disk?
- if i modify the fans, how i can came back?
thank a lot
post #112 of 119
-system is NOT the hard disk temperature. my guess is that it may be memory (RAM) temperature but it definitely isnt cpu or hard drive temp.
-If you modify the fan speed settings you can either restart your computer (they will return to BIOS default) or change them back by using the program.
post #113 of 119
Ok for the sager 9860's What program where you guys talking about to control the fans and such? I would like to see how hot my video card is running at.... Is there a direct link to this program? Im super confused.. I already have speed fan, and that kinda messes it all up.. Thanks.
post #114 of 119
bump?
post #115 of 119
Nephron, they are talking about Get Thermal... it is mentioned in Page 1 and many after that. Read page 7 about the warning of voiding the warranty,
post #116 of 119
i have 9880m raid 0
how i can see hd temp?
post #117 of 119
Please read my thread where you can see exactly how fan control with GetThermal works and also download GT. I worked this out in several hours and I would be happy to see at least someone turning my infos to good account. Thank you.

http://www.notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=87133
post #118 of 119
@vandrem or anyone else....

is there a new version available from somewhere... that shows up D900 GPU temps and fans === ???
post #119 of 119

speedfan - latest version

for those that are interested...

http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail...an/985582286/1
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