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"Game Performance Evaluation Comparison:

The focus of this article is to determine if upgrading to Windows XP Professional x64 Edition with an AMD Athlon64 would give us a better gaming experience in current games. We used eight games for our evaluation including one that supported Win64 AMD64 specifically.

What we found isn’t too shocking really, but rather reassuring. In all the 32-bit games tested, we saw overall static performance using Windows XP Pro x64 Edition. The only game in our lineup that had a specific Win64 AMD64 instruction path, The Chronicles of Riddick, actually performed worse in 64-bit than it did in 32-bit Windows.



The Bottom Line:

We were happy to see our “flat” results in most games and that most ran without compatibility issues. To recap, there are four solid needs for 64-bit gaming to show advantages. 1.) You need to have a 64-bit capable CPU such as the AMD Athlon64. 2.) You need to have a 64-bit capable OS such as Windows XP Pro x64. 3.) You need to have 64-bit drivers for your components. 4.) You need an application that is written to take advantage of a 64-bit OS.

Number 4 is the key here. The application or game itself must be written to take advantage of what your 64-bit CPU has to offer. Without this, there isn’t going to be any benefit in game performance on an x64 platform. There is a difference between just being compatible with WinXP Pro x64 Edition and actually utilizing what the 64-bit CPU can do for a game. Therefore, we are still waiting for a game that can fully take advantage of a 64-bit CPU. It seems as if the main problem for Windows XP Pro x64 Edition is the availability of 64-bit drivers, applications, and games.

That said, it looks as though many gamers wanting to put those seasoned Athlon AMD 64 processors to use on a new Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, can do so without much fear. I would caution you to visit the forums and make sure your “must have” game or application is x64 friendly first though."


Looks like another instance where it's better to just stick with what you have for now as its either the same performance, less performance, or some that don't run at all with the 64 bit games for now.

This is aimed at those looking at the Turion as the next end all be all processor.
post #2 of 11
What we found isn’t too shocking really, but rather reassuring. In all the 32-bit games tested, we saw overall static performance using Windows XP Pro x64 Edition. The only game in our lineup that had a specific Win64 AMD64 instruction path, The Chronicles of Riddick, actually performed worse in 64-bit than it did in 32-bit Windows.



Just reinforces everything I've been saying. Upgrading to 64bit programs doesn't do anything for performance. All it does is allow your programs to access more memory if you have it. There's a simple reason for this: all your pointers take twice as much data processing to interpret.... not a large performance hit, but it is a performance HIT.. not an increase. 64 bit registers help out some but don't quite overcome it.
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Interesting... my desktop is an AMD64 3000+ and it's running a dual-boot config of Win2K and WinXPx64 (Release candidate 1).

I noticed Doom 3 running much better on x64. Whether that's due to the Win2K vs. WinXP, or due to the better memory handling of x64, I can't say.

Half-life 2 seemed a little faster, but not much. I didn't try anything else on both.

Most noticeable difference for me was the 64-bit version of IE loaded web pages faster than lightning.
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But what does it mean for a game or some other app to "take advantage of the the 64-bit CPU"? Does it mean nothing more than needing to address more than 8GB of memory? If so then there will not be any apps that could take advantage of these processors for a long time.
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Means is compiled for x64 as a compiler path, most likely... just uses x86-64 bit opcodes
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Originally Posted by deltawalkerl
But what does it mean for a game or some other app to "take advantage of the the 64-bit CPU"? Does it mean nothing more than needing to address more than 8GB of memory? If so then there will not be any apps that could take advantage of these processors for a long time.
Well the new version of Adobe Photoshop CS 2.0 was just released and it wasn't made for 64 bit OS's either as far as I can tell and that would have been a prime area where the 64 bit OS might have been helpful. I think we are about 2-3 years away from 64 bit being mainstream IMO.

In any respect, this 9300 will be long gone before that date ever comes around.
post #7 of 11
If 64bit was the answer why didn't they just port a game to Linux 64bit?

64bit coding is extremely difficult when you are trying to gain a performance advantage over 32bit. This is totally different from the migration from 16bit to 32bit. Before you reply with numerous responses about 64bit please list which applications you have experience with running in 64bit mode on a 64bit OS.
post #8 of 11
who cares? as i sit looking at my full version commenarative Win XP 64 Pro.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm sweetness, now just need a decent 64bit laptop from dell
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by Michelangelo
If 64bit was the answer why didn't they just port a game to Linux 64bit?
Because the number of people using Linux is small.
Because the number of people using Linux to game is even smaller.
Because the number of people using Linux to game and having 64bit is extremely small.
post #10 of 11
It is true....games won't run any faster on 64-bit until they use more than 4GB of RAM. Inconceivable now, but I'm sure they'll figure out a way to use more memory.

I'm with newguru on this, 64-bit is years away from mainstream. I think 2-3 years is optimistic. And I'm not sure if most people (people who really only browse the internet, check email, word process, and mess around with a digital camera) will need more than 4GB for a long time.
post #11 of 11
It seems there was all the hype about 64bit extended processors when the only area in which these processors are enhanced is the ability to address more memory, a need that is far from urgent, or even helpful, for the next few years. Huh...
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