Top 10 reasons to buy a DELL Laptop - Page 4  

I got that same one to, lol...

I guess he is a jealous Alienware user or something

It all comes down to $$$

I spent $1600 on a notebook that would of cost $3000 from Alienware or $2700 From sager or a $2500 Ferrari, see specs in sig

But I always forget, the 6800go immediately turns to crap as soon as it enters a chasis labeled "DELL"

Ohh yeah screw Dell for being the first company to have the 6800Ultra, but the 6800Ultra sucks as long as it is in the XPS2 chasis and is a king in the Sager 9880 which isnt even out yet, merely because of the name.

Ohh lets not forget about HDDs!! Alienware only offers 100 and 80 GB 5400 HDDs don't they? Dell sucks who wants a 100 GB 7200 HDD? Much less a 80 GB 7200 HDD, I'm sure there will be a good excuse why the 7200 RPM drives suck in Dell but rule in another companies notebook.

100GB @ 7200rpms, lol that's SO 6 months ago. Then again, I'm a time traveller and I actually live 6 months from now, so nevermind.

*cough*Jackass*cough*

Not trying to flame at all - I am genuinely curious though, when you compare your $1600.00 cost to my Sager (which was actually 2500.00) I have a hard time believing the only difference is brand. I tried to spec out a 9300 just now on Dells website to match mine, but I couldnt quite get there. For example - I do not see an option for the 640 series P4's. If you were to have upgraded to, lets say, the 2.00 Ghz M processor - that would have tacked another 200.00 on. (BTW - before you suggest that there is no performance difference between the M and 640 series CPU's - dont bother. I was an Engineer at Intel for 3 years where both are manufactured and am intimately familiar with the differences).

Also - the video card - is it the DDR3 version? Does not appear to be, and though I am guessing there might not be much of a performance advantage, I would bet there would be a cost disparity.

Again - not trying to flame at all! Just curious what your full specs / order was (optical drives, OS, etc...). The $900.00 disparity sounds very impressive, but I am just curious if it is as much of a cut and dry case of a name costing 900.00 more as you seem to be suggesting.

BTW - what is your stock 3DMARK05 score?

OH yeah, their customer service really sucks!

I just emailed them an hour ago to check on the status of the order, and mentioned that I am leaving for vacation soon.

You know what those bastards did, they replied just now saying they'll upgrade my already FREE shipping, from 3-5 days to NEXT DAY DELIVERY at no cost at all.

Now if that's not horrible service, I don't know what is.

[/sarcasm]

I dont think anyone is suggesting that NO ONE gets good service from Dell! As I listed in post #60 (previous page) there appears to be quite a number of folks that have had poor service (as well as good service).

Think about it this way - if, by your sarcasm, you are suggesting that we should believe in general that Dell has good service, then why should we not have similar faith in the sarcasm of those with negative experiences?! Are their experiences any LESS valid than yours?

Again - as much as I abhore statistics, resellerratings.com is nothing more than a statistical snapshot of peoples experiences and the ratings show less than half are satisfied overall, and there must some reason for it, right?

love the hate... not.

I am sure it if fun to rally behind a hate of large, sucessful corporations.

But when doing so, try to remain at least bit anchored in the real world.

the 2 items I speak of were the comments about old technology, andover priced.

I ordered a laptop on the 13th. At that time, NO ONE but dell offered the 6800 Ultra.

And only Sager was in the ball park for price/performance.

Who knows, my dell is on order. and maybe it will suck. My last boss had his brand new Ferrari 360 Modena in the shop 18 out of the 1st 30 days he owned it.

But all things have the potential to suck. read the Voodoo forums.

As far as quality. I am a teacher, I have 8 Dell PC's in my room, over 150 in my school, 36 Dell LCD's. there has been only 1 (ONE) bad PC, and that was in my class. the cooling fan was jacked up, rattled, then stopped. We have 3 LCD's who dont like their remotes. Wow, that sure is a major quality record huh?

sure, basic reason. Who statisticaly constitutes the majority of people responding to customer service inquiries/polls.

I am also a teacher now (used to be an Engineer at Intel and Motorola)! What do you teach?

We have about 320+ computers in our Charter School about evenly split between IBM and HP. I've had 1 fail in the time I've been here.

BTW - not to bust your chops, (and this is the Engineer in me speaking up) - but having 1 failure out of 150 is FAR from SOMETHING TO BE IMPRESSED WITH!! Those in engineering know exactly what I am talking about. That is FAR, I repeat, FAR from a Six-Sigma (quality / customer satisfaction improvement initative) process. Motorola pioneered this process. A Six-sigma can be described as 3.4 defects max. per 1 million opportunities (this is an over simplification, but will suffice).

Also - in case folks are wondering why the hell I am bringing this up - well, because Six-Sigma is, infact, one of Dells corporate initiatives!

The sarcasm was only in regards to my post, in teh sense that the service that i received really didn't suck.

Was that a question or statement? If you are suggesting that its primarily those with negative experiences that respond to polls, you might want to rethink that. Look at Newegg.com, PCtorque.com along with many others that have very high customer satisfaction ratings. If you were suggesting the opposite, well...lol - look at Dells!

Again - I realize many will think as you (my apologies if I am misunderstanding your response! ) and try to justify / explain - but my beliefs are very simple;

companies that have good ratings by independent polls, in GENERAL have good customer service and companies that have bad ratings by independent polls, in GENERAL have less than good customer service!

peace folks...

in regards to six-sigma and dell's business plan, that's true, they are nowhere near reaching their target. But in a business where they rely so heavily on outside parts, it's also dependent on those suppliers following the same strategy, so unless dell makes ALL their parts in-house, it's nearly impossible to reach 3 defects per million. Not only that, but dell being as large as it is, with the insane volume they have, and the constant restructuring, it is hard as hell for them to reach that while trying to acheive all their other goals.

Lol...yeah, though I can be very "bewildering" at times (as my wife tells me often) - I was actually sharp enough to catch your sarcasm and realized your service didnt actually "suck"! I do appreciate the clarification though!

Believe me, I completely understand and agree totally with you! We never quite reached Six-Sigma at Motorola either! Just pointing out that the failure rate mentioned might sound small, but really - at just under 1% fallout - it is a substantial number when looking at how many units dell probably sells!

Not to belabour this, but you might want to check out:

http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=82948

Looks like it will be awhile for the 100GB 7200 RPM. Also looks like another less than happy customer! j/k

3DMark'05 is 3170 non oc'd with stock drivers if you want a game benched here is one, mainly because I think the 3Dmark series is kinda bullshit, I like real benchmarks with real games to get real performance indicators
CS:Source Video Stress Test
53.47 FPS
1920x1200, Texture High, Model Detail High, Water Reflect All, Shadow High, Shader Detail High, AA 6X, AF 16X

I always forget to add I bought my Ram seperately from Dell so that lessens the gap, 2 GBs bought seperately for $260 (From Dell 2 GBs of Ram is $1000!!!! Yes Dell will try to screw people!)

I ordered my 9300 with the 1.86 GHz P-M, 6800go, WUXGA Display, 8X DVD-Rom, Windows XP Home, 256 MBs Ram (upgraded to 2 GBs), 60 GB 7200 RPM HDD, Intel Pro Wireless 2200, 1 Year warranty (Now the 9300 come standard with no warranty so it is an upgrade), Last and probably least, the $30 upgrade in the productivity area so I can get MS Word w/o having to shell out $300 for Office

Price before Ram $1600
Price w/ Ram $1860

I know the differences between the P4 and P-M and I do know the advantages/disadvantages to each.

Since you worked at Intel can you tell me about the pinmod that alot of 9300 users are doing? They take the 7x5 series P-M and ground one of the pins so the 915 Chipset can allow it to run with 533 MHz FSB, I was wondering how dangerous this is because it certainly doesn't sound safe, lol

Michael - thanks for the info! Sounds like a nice rig you've got - and at a pretty good price as well!

I play CS:S as well. Just ran the video stress test on mine. My Sager only runs at 1680 x 1050 so thats the max I could run on the test, but with the same settings you listed (+ non-oc'd + stock drivers) I am getting 73.74 FPS. I would guess that we would be pretty comparable since I am at a lower res w/less RAM.

As for the pin mod - I am familar with it. Would I recommend it? Well....it depends on how you view that sort of thing! I always subscribe to the "if you wanna play - be prepared to pay" school of thought! I overclock my desktop and always have. I've done nearly every type of oveclock out there - from bios hacks to the old pencil mod (AMD) to resistor soldering and even the "golden finger" addon bords! You have to keep in mind that ANY handling of the CPU PGA (or LGA) should not be taken lightly. It only takes one tiny mistake for it to become expensive.

Having said that - if it were me, I would do it! If, however, you are not comfortable / confident - then do not attempt it. The mod itself is not inherantly unsafe. The CPU's have more margin in them than most would think. A 3.2 GHz processor and a 3.6 GHz processor with the same core are manufactured exactly identical. It is only the SORT process that determines (by virture of its performance) what speed it becomes.

edit: re-ran the test just to verify - got 74.11 FPS.

ohh yeah, I am unsure if the 6800go in the 9300 is DDR, DDR2, or DDR3, Im guessing it is either 1 or 2 since my stock non oc score is lower than your stock nooc score

who the hell is following me around and giving me negative reps? Looks like some one was bitchslapped by Alienware and has finally realized they have been owned

LOL, Some punk little coward who got a spanking. He can't win the debate so he sneaks around and gives his betters little marks on a computer forum, seriously, how pathetic is that?

Sucks to be him!