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post #21 of 81
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Originally posted by dmooney
It is not my responsibility to fix my own system. That is what a warranty and tech support are for.
SOFTWARE problems are something that YOU are responsible for.

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Originally posted by THE SAGER WARRANTY
SAGER PROVIDES NO WARRANTY WHATSOEVER FOR ANY SOFTWARE PROVIDED WITH ITS PRODUCTS; SUCH SOFTWARE IS WARRANTED SEPARATELY BY THEIR MANUFACTURERS.
If formatting and re-installing windows fixes your problem, how is that masking anything? The problem is gone, therefore FIXED.
post #22 of 81
Quote:
Originally posted by dmooney
And I don't want to have to send them the computer for another two weeks while they make futile attempts to fix it. What alternatives are left?
Get a better computer science degree.
post #23 of 81
Wow man.. ur a very sad CS student, thats for sure.. You should have the brains to know that sometimes there can be MORE to do than just what the tech says. Not every tech will have the right answer.

Also, techs will go where you lead them. If your SO conviced it is a hardware error, do you think they would waste time trying to convice you that it might be software? Seeing your "im right, and too lazy to try anything else" additude, i certainly wouldnt recommend it to you.

I feel sorry for the network you "administrate". That damned thing must be crashing left and right, and you have no idea why...
post #24 of 81
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Originally posted by Divine_Madcat
I feel sorry for the network you "administrate". That damned thing must be crashing left and right, and you have no idea why...
It's a hardware problem! Call Cisco... rofl
post #25 of 81
umm......hello if Sager had really good tech support......
Why would we all be here on Sagerforums?

I think most of us are willing to deal with probs in order to get a "un-heard of" laptop configed
from a mostly "un-heard of" company like Sager.
post #26 of 81
I think we've had enough of this!

I cannot believe how much you guys want to flame someone (no matter WHAT their degree/profession is) for relaying a story about HOW Sager handled this particular tech support instance.

There is a certain logic to follow tech support to the letter (especially if you're in a cost-sensitive environment) to make sure you follow the rules in case things get worse.

I think we all can agree it WAS THOUGHT OF to reinstall. It was simply that dmooney CHOSE NOT to reinstall, but rather find out if Sager had another possibility or solution.

THAT IS TYPICAL for a tech support question! "Hey, I have THIS problem, what do YOU GUYS suggest?" THAT'S ALL! Don't read too far into this and trash someone you don't even know because they did not do what YOU would have done. That's also a BAD SIGN for an ADMIN - paper or not!

He wanted to play this one safe, and that's that. NOW, let's examine what Sager did (or did NOT) do for him (according to dmooney's aco****):
1) SAGER did NOT suggest it was HEAT related
2) SAGER did NOT suggest to re-install the OS
3) SAGER did NOT get back with him in reasonable time (in my opinion).

Therefore, we BASH dmooney!? C'Mon, now, WE suggested the heat/reinstall options - WE are not official tech support for Sager (we're better ). Let's go back to basics here: Someone has a problem, and what did Sager tech support do to help? Nevermind the user's degree or experience, etc. Wasn't it in the "We Love PC Torque" thread that someone wisely said, "It's how well a business handles the PROBLEMS that makes them great" (paraphrased)?

Let's apply that here, shall we?
-myrkat
post #27 of 81
dmooney, you ask what alternatives are left? Well, as best I can see, none! I believe you are correct in your belief that SAGER is not going to solve your problem. You've asked them to take care of what you believe is a serious problem, they gave it a try in replacing the motherboard (which is just short of replacing the entire machine and should have taken care of any hardware problems). The problem persists and you are unhappy. By your report, SAGER is not responding to you.

So, go for it? Sue them!

However, do understand, a lawsuit is sort of like the last resort. Once you get a judgement, that's it, its over, whether or not you like the results. It may well be that SAGER will prevail. I can't say, don't know enough of the facts and I'm not the judge.

Also, do understand, that if you do prevail in small claims, the likelyhood of geting satisfaction is limited. You are in Connecticut, SAGER is in California. Just doing legal service is going to cost you big time, though I for sure don't know the procedures in Conn.

On the other hand, a lawsuit just might prompt SAGER to give you a replacement machine. But I wouldn't be surprised if it comes with no further warranty and on the basis you have no further claims, regardless of what happens down the road.

I also note you do not mention any reseller. Did you purchase direct from SAGER? If you did buy through a reseller, which I heartily recommend because they have a lot more clout with SAGER than you could ever have, ie - they represent a lot more business than you do, you should be in contact with your reseller. Its probable the reseller could mediate between you and SAGER to reach a resolution that, while not perfect, is at least acceptable to all parties.
post #28 of 81
Myrkat - I think the flames came more from the fact that he chose to put in the fact that he was an SW engineer and an admin.

To most people that suggest that you should have a level of knowledge above most tech support personel and should not blindly do or not do everything you are told.

If he had come here and said - I am a total newb and sager didnt tell me what to do I suspect things would have been different.

Sager replaced the MB and sent the machine back. They were unable to reproduce the problem - I fail to see what more they could have done without a reinstall, short of replacing every component in the machine.
post #29 of 81
Maybe he's got the MS.Blaster virus! lol
post #30 of 81
Quote:
Originally posted by Element
Maybe he's got the MS.Blaster virus! lol
HAHAHAHAHAHHHA
post #31 of 81
Quote:
Originally posted by Element
Maybe he's got the MS.Blaster virus! lol
Possible... remember all software problems are Sager's fault.
post #32 of 81
That is a definate possibility - sager may not have been able to reproduce the problem because they might be behind a firewall that blocks it.
post #33 of 81
I...........I............I see noobs lol
post #34 of 81
The blaster Virus, once infected, will work regardless of internet connection...
post #35 of 81
Quote:
Originally posted by Element
Maybe he's got the MS.Blaster virus! lol


my opinion of what the problem could be:

-bad ram
-software related (very likely especially if the mobo was replaced)

Were the fans running when it rebooted?

In any case I've seen enough cases on other forums/sites of spontaneous reboots where an OS reinstall fixed the problem so that's probably your best shot.
post #36 of 81
For crying out loud dmooney, in the time it took you to do all this stupid complaining I could have re-installed your OS three times(it probably would have fixed your problem)
post #37 of 81
Heres my 2 cents

First of all, dude rely on nobody but yourself to fix things. Reinstalling windows should have been the first thing you did. Forget tech support, from what I have seen most are a bunch of spodes. If reintalling didn't help then I would have to go with the RAM. Dual channel RAM is very touchy if one stick is not quite up to par.

Second not all of us are CS grads. This is just a insight on how they handle problems. Not the greatest IMO. But as I said before most tech support isn't. If it were in his shoes I would be clueless and have to totally rely on the tech support.

Think about it from all ends fellas.
post #38 of 81
Speaking as someone who has interviewed literally hundreds of candidates for sysadmin consultancies, written hiring criteria, designed interview systems, and designed/written/launched a professional certification (the SAGE certification), I can say with no small amount of authority:

A CS degree means very, very little in this type of situation. In fact, it may well hinder progress. (and I say this with the above credentials, as well as 15 years in the field, and being a.b.d. in experimental cognitive psychology. )


As for the problem: If you're also seeing rampant video glitching and other odd behavior, it may well be a stick of RAM. Take one out, see if the problem goes away.

If the problem persists, put that stick back in and take the other out. Lather, rinse, repeat.

It may be overheating. Make VERY sure you're well-ventilated. Those rear feet are there for a very good reason.

It may be a software problem. While I loathe the "reinstall Windows" mentality, it DOES solve problems (though it's very much a sledgehammer solution for what tends to be a gnat-sized problem).


It may well be a legitimate hardware issue that requires a replacement machine. But the correspondence you've forwarded from Sager does not indicate a customer service problem. If anything, it shows a willingness to work with you, within the bounds they must work.

"No" would be an indication of a customer service problem.

Believe me...I'm the first and the loudest to complain about the slightest hint of problems with customer service. I have three regional managers, for each of the major delivery services, living in constant fear of any package with my address arriving in their purview. I've got direct phone numbers for companies that would rather lose customers than talk to them...and I get results. I tend to skip niceties and get right to the yelling when faced with customer service problems.

What you've described here doesn't warrant such a negative outlook on Sager.


This is also my first Sager, but I've been using notebooks since the Zenith Supersport 286 was stylish. Before that, I had a Kaypro suitcase-sized "luggable", and lusted after a GRiD notebook and the Apple //c. I've owned Apples, Dells, Gateways, IBMs, Toshibas, Sonys, and others.

I can say -- again, with more than a modicum of authority -- that this is a product of high quality, and the service provided by both Sager and PCTorque are beyond reproach.

Speaking of which, if you're having such trouble with Sager, have you considered asking nicely if Adam or one of his staff would be willing to stand in your corner and work with Sager for you to get the issue resolved?

Just a thought.
post #39 of 81
I wouldnt trust 95% of the "sysadmins" I have interviewed with the remote to the TV let alone my servers. Every bod who has ever installed an OS and setup IIS is running about claiming to be an admin nowdays. Of course I only consider UNIX admins to be real admins
post #40 of 81
I bought a 5670 mid Sept. because classes started the 30th.

Several OS issues at the beginning. XP restore point would not work, and some other issue that I can't remember. I had already loaded a great deal of my software but I bit the bullet and re-installed the OS and I use the pc at work 8+ hours a day, at home 6+ hours per day and it is as solid as a rock.

I can not comment about Sager Tech Support because I have never called them,
but reinstalling the OS cured the problems I was having.

I do some stuff with Cognos Power Cubes and my old 500mhz dell would take a couple of hours to build a cube, this box does it in less than five minutes and I don't even have the 7200 rpm hard drive (yet).

Cheers.
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