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post #441 of 1473
well just do a search for Nigeria and you'll get a lotta laffs lol

it's a very special joke around here...
post #442 of 1473
Squeeze me? Baking powder? A simple friendly question and I get this attitude from all of you?
Tsss... what sad times these are... A simple no would've sufficed.
post #443 of 1473
Pinmod works on my celeron m 360 (1.4ghz@1.86ghz). tks for yr guide! benchmarks shows it is as fast as a Pentium m 1.73ghz, run absolutely stable, temp. is just 1 degree c. higher (full load) Good job Celey.
post #444 of 1473
so.. look at my signature guys

Another succesful pinmod.

1.7 to 2.26 no sweat.

Super PI 1M 36 sec.

Super PI 32M stable.

Temps:
Idle 22C (sic!)
Load 43c

I AM SO HAPPY!!!!


Thank you ziddey, WhyoWhy and all the others who had helped me on the way.

P.S. Actually idle is 26C now. I am so upset..My lap must be getting hot
post #445 of 1473
Thread Starter 
That's great! With all of the recent success, the 1.7 is looking to be the chip of choice.
post #446 of 1473
AN update: massive stress test by converting large AVI to MPEG2.

CPU Temp went to 48 briefly, but was around 45 average.

Doesn't like undervolting at all. SuperPI 32 is only stable at "stock" 1.34 v.
post #447 of 1473
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maine_Coon
Don't we all love posts like this?

Yes, 533 is better than 400. By putting in 400FSB chip and installing a small clip for pinmod we make chipset run 400 chip as 533 fsb, and because multipliers are higher for 400 chips overall speed gives us $500 CPU's for around $100, give or take.

Did I answer your question correctly?
I don't really get you.
533 is generally better than 400, but 400 is better at multipliers?? is that what you are saying? then why they don't use 400 instead of 533??
Will you actually feel it faster after you change it??

thanks
post #448 of 1473
Quote:
Originally Posted by ares9245
I don't really get you.
533 is generally better than 400, but 400 is better at multipliers?? is that what you are saying? then why they don't use 400 instead of 533??
Will you actually feel it faster after you change it??

thanks
I can answer last question: yes, it feels faster. 2.26Ghz at 533FSB is faster than 1.73Ghz at 533FSB as was originally set in my 9300 by Dell.

For the rest of your questions I recommend you read this thread from the beginning and go through as many pages as necessary until you fully understand what is going on.

Regards.
post #449 of 1473
Yes, the 1.7's seem to be pimp now, I ordered one and am going to test my luck coming this week

Hmmm.. let me start from the bottom and work up to see if I can help you ares. Originally all Dothan CPU's ran on a 400MHz FSB, or front side bus. The way most CPU's work is that there is an external clock (in this case 100) that everything else runs off of. For example, if the CPU was 1.7GHz it would run at 100MHz with a multiplier of 17, or 100x17=1700MHz. The FSB, which is the communication link between the different system components, which is 100x4=400MHz (most Intel buses are "quadpumped"). Even the RAM runs off this external clock using a divider (ratio). The newer Dothan (Sonoma) cores run off a 133MHz external clock. For example, my 2.0GHz runs at 133x15=2000MHz. Traditionally, the next step up in a processor (for example, a 2.0GHz 760 to a 2.13GHz 770) is the next multiplier (in this case 15 to 16), and you pay for the stability that this CPU can run 2.13GHz no sweat. However, people have found a loop hole: older Dothans have enough stock voltage (determined at the factory) to overclock well beyond their specifications. So, even though these CPU's are multiplier locked and one cant really adjust the FSB with success in a Dell laptop, there is a trick, using the "pin-mod" to fool the chipset into thinking your 400FSB CPU is a 533FSB. For an example, a 1.7GHz 400MHz CPU (100x17=1700MHz) becomes a 2.26GHz 533MHz CPU (133x17=2260MHz). Typically this higher speed is stable and you just got yourself a $450+ CPU for only ~$140 or lower . Hope that cleared it up a bit, but ask if I didnt explain something well
post #450 of 1473
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. K6
Yes, the 1.7's seem to be pimp now, I ordered one and am going to test my luck coming this week

Hmmm.. let me start from the bottom and work up to see if I can help you ares. Originally all Dothan CPU's ran on a 400MHz FSB, or front side bus. The way most CPU's work is that there is an external clock (in this case 100) that everything else runs off of. For example, if the CPU was 1.7GHz it would run at 100MHz with a multiplier of 17, or 100x17=1700MHz. The FSB, which is the communication link between the different system components, which is 100x4=400MHz (most Intel buses are "quadpumped"). Even the RAM runs off this external clock using a divider (ratio). The newer Dothan (Sonoma) cores run off a 133MHz external clock. For example, my 2.0GHz runs at 133x15=2000MHz. Traditionally, the next step up in a processor (for example, a 2.0GHz 760 to a 2.13GHz 770) is the next multiplier (in this case 15 to 16), and you pay for the stability that this CPU can run 2.13GHz no sweat. However, people have found a loop hole: older Dothans have enough stock voltage (determined at the factory) to overclock well beyond their specifications. So, even though these CPU's are multiplier locked and one cant really adjust the FSB with success in a Dell laptop, there is a trick, using the "pin-mod" to fool the chipset into thinking your 400FSB CPU is a 533FSB. For an example, a 1.7GHz 400MHz CPU (100x17=1700MHz) becomes a 2.26GHz 533MHz CPU (133x17=2260MHz). Typically this higher speed is stable and you just got yourself a $450+ CPU for only ~$140 or lower . Hope that cleared it up a bit, but ask if I didnt explain something well

Mr.K6,

nice explanation.

You are much more patient and overall better person than I am.

I suggest putting your post on the first page.
post #451 of 1473
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. K6
Yes, the 1.7's seem to be pimp now, I ordered one and am going to test my luck coming this week

Hmmm.. let me start from the bottom and work up to see if I can help you ares. Originally all Dothan CPU's ran on a 400MHz FSB, or front side bus. The way most CPU's work is that there is an external clock (in this case 100) that everything else runs off of. For example, if the CPU was 1.7GHz it would run at 100MHz with a multiplier of 17, or 100x17=1700MHz. The FSB, which is the communication link between the different system components, which is 100x4=400MHz (most Intel buses are "quadpumped"). Even the RAM runs off this external clock using a divider (ratio). The newer Dothan (Sonoma) cores run off a 133MHz external clock. For example, my 2.0GHz runs at 133x15=2000MHz. Traditionally, the next step up in a processor (for example, a 2.0GHz 760 to a 2.13GHz 770) is the next multiplier (in this case 15 to 16), and you pay for the stability that this CPU can run 2.13GHz no sweat. However, people have found a loop hole: older Dothans have enough stock voltage (determined at the factory) to overclock well beyond their specifications. So, even though these CPU's are multiplier locked and one cant really adjust the FSB with success in a Dell laptop, there is a trick, using the "pin-mod" to fool the chipset into thinking your 400FSB CPU is a 533FSB. For an example, a 1.7GHz 400MHz CPU (100x17=1700MHz) becomes a 2.26GHz 533MHz CPU (133x17=2260MHz). Typically this higher speed is stable and you just got yourself a $450+ CPU for only ~$140 or lower . Hope that cleared it up a bit, but ask if I didnt explain something well

Thanks a lot for your explaination. it's really clear.
Is my english too bad? ( I am not a native english speaker.)
I read this sentence on the first page:"This guide shows you how to replace your existing 533fsb CPU with a 400fsb CPU that you have purchased elsewhere" I got confused. I thought this guide teaches people how to mod their 533fsb to 400fsb.

So if my fsb is already 533, I don't need to look at this, right? or I could have a even better CPU after I mod it.

Thanks again.
post #452 of 1473
Are there any old 9300 or XPS using 400 fsb? I thought they are all new models.
post #453 of 1473
ares - the sentence says 'replace' as in you would purchase another 400mhz cpu elsewhere. When you make the mod, the 400mhz cpu runs at 533, therefore it runs faster. All the 9300s are 533fsb.
post #454 of 1473
I will share my own XPS 2 Service Manual rip with you sad lot, even though you all left me in the cold when I asked for it. Leech it if you want it. And thanks for nothing guys

http://www.xs4all.nl/~eikelman/temp/dellsm.zip
post #455 of 1473
Try putting your glasses on nerdo boy, it's a kitty on her chest.
Like your contribution is so earth shattering...

Anyway, let's stop this infantility and totally unneccesary post-polution.
Anybody wants the service manual on file, take it while it lasts.
post #456 of 1473
I am unclear over the AS5 to GPU... I don't see what did he put on it.
post #457 of 1473
After reading all 31 pages of this thread, I'm going to try this when I get my 9300 from DELL but I'm still trying to decide between the 730 and 740 Dothan's, I guess what I'm really trying to ask is how much of a deference is there really between 2.13 and 2.26Ghz? And is it worth the extra risk?

Also something I would like to add to this thread, because I had trouble finding it is a list of the deferent Dothan Chips.
post #458 of 1473
I just bought a 735 Pentium M Dothan 2MB cache 1.7 SL7EP for $105 off of ebay. I'll let you know how it goes when I install in my 9300.
post #459 of 1473
Trained, I'm not sure you completely understand it yet. The 730 and 740 (EVEN SERIES) are already 533fsb and CANNOT be pinmodded. The 9300 only comes with even series and what youre looking for is one that ends in 5. 725, 735. A 725 will pinmod to 2.13 and a 735 will pinmod to 2.26 like you want.
post #460 of 1473
Quote:
Originally Posted by ziddey
Trained, I'm not sure you completely understand it yet. The 730 and 740 (EVEN SERIES) are already 533fsb and CANNOT be pinmodded. The 9300 only comes with even series and what youre looking for is one that ends in 5. 725, 735. A 725 will pinmod to 2.13 and a 735 will pinmod to 2.26 like you want.
I know this. I really just wasn't paying to much attention, I ment to say the 725 and 735 chips. And I'm still trying to decide if I should go with extra power or extra safety.
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