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post #161 of 348
10/13/03 at 5:26pm
Hey, if I want it to work, I have to use Linux...worked out of the box.http://talknotebooks.com/#

Henrik, I'm pretty sure that Intel wrote some apps designed to do this, but they never worked for me. You can poke around google and/or their site for our motherboard (I'm on a 5600D, too) and "ACPI" and you'll find it.
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post #162 of 348
10/13/03 at 5:28pm
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Originally posted by Henrik
Hey, take your linux crap somewhere else

NS, how did it work out for you with the temperature reading in windows?
*cough*

It doesn't work.

It opens the grey box with your name and this site at the bottom, but it just sits there with an Hourglass and doesn't do anything. If I click anywhere in the box I just get a "The program is not resonding" message.

Chip: I am using 2.6 Alpha 6, so it will be in a different folder, but at the moment I cant install or copy anything anywhere in Linux as the drive only has 8k free and no-one knows how to resize a ReiserFS partition

NS
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post #163 of 348
10/13/03 at 5:30pm
NS: Remove all those files that end in *mpg and you'll clear up plenty of space. Especially those files that begin "Barely Legal" :-)

Even if you don't install anything, run that insmod command. See if it creates the /proc/acpi directories.
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post #164 of 348
10/13/03 at 5:32pm
I have a Clevo 5600D with a P4 2.4Ghz FSB 533 Mhz, Hard Disk Toshiba, Modem and Wireless.

I can read the Toshiba hard disk tempetature, with speedfan
http://www.almico.com
It reaches sometimes 55º C and my CDROMs are very very heat.

I can not support the keyboard heat.

Tests with your program (a ver usefull program):

In idle mode (Windows 2K doing nothing): The fans start to blow at medium speed @ 50º C and stop to blow @ 41ºC, but I think the BIOS tests the fans each 30 seconds, because this cicle is variable.

With the cpuburn, I have reached 72 ºC, but at 70 ºC the fans start to blow at their highest speed and reduced down to 55 ºC.

I think that the fans would have to start to blow at medium speed when the temp had reached 35 ºC and starting at their highest speed at 40ºC, and stoping at 30 ºC.
Recommended CPU temp by Intel is 40ºC.

I have made this test with:

BIOS 1.07.02 (I can send you it)
Firmware 1.07 (I lost it)


Thanks,

Wriggly.


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Originally posted by Henrik
Where do I send the bill? Just kidding, happy you liked it!



I recommend you to read all posts in this thread from the beginning. The reasons are:
1. The bios is already "published" two times in this thread
2. You find out why you should NOT flash the bios in 56DS303_64.zip. This is also why I had to made the hybrid bios.



Maybe I will add that feature in the future. I dont have any heat problems and have a lot of other things to do first.



Its more likely it will be a software solution like your former question suggested.


Wriggly, what are your computer-specs and what temps did you measure?

Finally, good luck and happy flashing!
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post #165 of 348
10/13/03 at 5:33pm
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NS: Did you READ the readme.txt? Did you disable the ACPIEC.SYS?

chiphart: I was just kidding, of course. I dont understand what you are saying about intel and apps? Is it clear to you that I want NS to try the temp monitor that I wrote myself?




Do people actually READ the posts?
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post #166 of 348
10/13/03 at 5:35pm
Oh, I know you were kidding. Bastard.

I was just saying that I'd seen a WinXP app written specifically BY Intel for our motherboards to not only give you the temps, but control the fans, throttle the CPU, etc. I don't have it any more, but I found it while poking around their site looking for ACPI info.
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post #167 of 348
10/13/03 at 5:39pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by chiphart

I was just saying that I'd seen a WinXP app written specifically BY Intel for our motherboards to not only give you the temps, but control the fans, throttle the CPU, etc. I don't have it any more, but I found it while poking around their site looking for ACPI info.
I'm sure that that app wasnt written for our motherboard, but for our chipset, and that a HUGE difference. I'm sure intels app was handleing the fans and sensors on the smbus for the southbridge (82801). On our motherboard the sensor and fans are "hidden" behind the Embedded Controller, i.e. they are placed on the smbus on the EC.
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post #168 of 348
10/13/03 at 5:42pm
You could be 100% correct, but I thought they were the same. I blamed the fact that it didn't work for me on running Win98 (vs. XP). If I weren't in a meeting and could read search engines more carefully, I could poke around and find it (sorry).
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post #169 of 348
10/13/03 at 5:44pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Wriggly
I have a Clevo 5600D with a P4 2.4Ghz FSB 533 Mhz, Hard Disk Toshiba, Modem and Wireless.

I can read the Toshiba hard disk tempetature, with speedfan
http://www.almico.com
It reaches sometimes 55º C and my CDROMs are very very heat.

I can not support the keyboard heat.

Tests with your program (a ver usefull program):

In idle mode (Windows 2K doing nothing): The fans start to blow at medium speed @ 50º C and stop to blow @ 41ºC, but I think the BIOS tests the fans each 30 seconds, because this cicle is variable.

With the cpuburn, I have reached 72 ºC, but at 70 ºC the fans start to blow at their highest speed and reduced down to 55 ºC.

I think that the fans would have to start to blow at 35 ºC and start at his highest speed at 40ºC, and stop at 30 ºC.
Reommended CPU temp by Intel is 40ºC.

I have made this test with:

BIOS 1.07.02 (I can send you it)
Firmware 1.07 (I lost it)


Thanks,

Wriggly.
Wriggly, your cpu runs a lot cooler than mine. Thats how it should be if you have a 2,4 GHz non-HT processor. My processor never idles under 50 degrees. But I dont understand when you write that the keyboard is too hot for you? My keyboard isnt that warm.

Your bios isnt 1.07.02, its 1.02.07.
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post #170 of 348
10/13/03 at 5:46pm
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Originally posted by chiphart
You could be 100% correct, but I thought they were the same. I blamed the fact that it didn't work for me on running Win98 (vs. XP). If I weren't in a meeting and could read search engines more carefully, I could poke around and find it (sorry).
Of course I'm right
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post #171 of 348
10/13/03 at 5:58pm
My hands and my face are sweating by the heat of the notebook.

Have you readed your hard disk temperature?

What does temperature reach it?

What keyboard version do you have? I have lost my current kb firmware version, if you have it, can you send me it to xaviugr@yahoo.es?

Do you know the offsets of the keyboard or the bios that mark the temperatures?

I think my sensor can be erroneous.

And yes, my BIOS version is 1.02.07, sorry for my mistake.


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Originally posted by Henrik
Wriggly, your cpu runs a lot cooler than mine. Thats how it should be if you have a 2,4 GHz non-HT processor. My processor never idles under 50 degrees. But I dont understand when you write that the keyboard is too hot for you? My keyboard isnt that warm.

Your bios isnt 1.07.02, its 1.02.07.
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post #172 of 348
10/13/03 at 6:04pm
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Wriggly, my keyboard bios is 1.00.16. You can download the bios at www.eurocom.ca

There are three possibilities:

1. You as an individual is less comfortable with heat than me. I live in sweden and like saunas.
2. Your keyboard lets more heat through. All my heat is going to the left through the vents like its supposed to.
3. The sensor is erroneous.


I will check out the temp sensor in the harddisk
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post #173 of 348
10/13/03 at 6:04pm
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Originally posted by NightShade737
Ramses: You machine could just be completely clogged up with dust, so the fans and cooling in general is severly crippled.

Just an idea.

NS
Nope, cleaned it out when I got it. Also applied a small amount of theremal compound to the heatsink. On that subject, there is what looks to be some thermal adheasive with a piece of tin foil covering it which contacts the CPU. I'm half tempted to remove it and go strait thermal compound to CPU instead, it seems a better way.
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post #174 of 348
10/13/03 at 6:11pm
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Originally posted by Ramses
Nope, cleaned it out when I got it. Also applied a small amount of theremal compound to the heatsink. On that subject, there is what looks to be some thermal adheasive with a piece of tin foil covering it which contacts the CPU. I'm half tempted to remove it and go strait thermal compound to CPU instead, it seems a better way.
Wait......... you put thermal adheasive on a a piece of tinfoil which was already on some thermal compound, without first removing the other thermal compound and tinfoil, and you are asking why its overheating?!? Why dont you add some wax thermal blocks in there too while you are at it!!

At best you are only supposed to have less than an A4 sheet of papers thickness of thermal compound between the processor and the heatsink. You have loads of crap there which will have killed the thermal transfer which is no wonder your processor is overheating!

You need to remove ALL the crap from the core of the processor before adding your own compound otherwise it all goes to ****, as you have so well demonstrated..........

Just had to put it bluntly.......

Right, anyway, Henrik, I have the temps in.

On a flat hard board surface in a normal room temperature area my 2.4ghz processor idles at 47'c and when under 100% load WITH SSE and SSE2 use (increases the heat a little more) the processor topped out at 68'c (it hit that in about 6 minutes and stopped rising).

The small fan was on the whole time (even before I started) and stayed on. No other fans came on or went off.

NS
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post #175 of 348
10/13/03 at 6:14pm
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Recommended CPU temp by Intel is 40ºC.
This is interesting, I still believe I'm quite on the safe side because intels own safety-cutout to prevent damage to the chip is at 135.

Maybe I shorten the life of my processor with a couple of months? So be it. I have yet to wear out a processor because of age, and my first x86 processor is a 20 year old 8088 at 4.77 Mhz. Yes that 4-dot-77 not 477. Its still going strong
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post #176 of 348
10/13/03 at 6:14pm
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Originally posted by Henrik
Ramses, something is wrong here. What are your bios version and keyboard bios version? You can see the versions while booting, press the pause key if you have to.
Its the keyboard bios i.e. the bios for the Embedded Controller that controls the fans.

Bios 1.02.00

KB 1.00.16

I was wondering if there was an issue with that, or perhaps the offset as there usually is with temp sensors.

Do you know if the fan's and bios temp cutof use the sensor your showing us or if they have an independant thermister somewhere?

I also want to note that while it took a pretty short time to hit 85 degres and have it turn off, I have never, ever had it do this under even the most hard use. I've never run RC5 or any such thing on here, but gameing a plenty. However who's to say if I decided to sit in the park on a nice summer afternoon with the ambient temp fifteen degres above what my home or such is, how long would it take to overheat then? That's a worry to me.

And you should run an instance of whatever CPU stress testing program you use for each virtual CPU unless it's specificaly multithreading, otherwise it's only using "half" the CPU.
If you hit the 80's with one, I bet it makes it to 85 with two threads and the CPU truly maxed out.
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post #177 of 348
10/13/03 at 6:17pm
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NS, what are your cpu specs? 2,4 Ghz right?

You are right about the fans, they kick in full blast at 70.

Did you use cpu burn? Try that one for 20 minutes like I did.
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post #178 of 348
10/13/03 at 6:18pm
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Originally posted by NightShade737
Wait......... you put thermal adheasive on a a piece of tinfoil which was already on some thermal compound, without first removing the other thermal compound and tinfoil, and you are asking why its overheating?!? Why dont you add some wax thermal blocks in there too while you are at it!!

At best you are only supposed to have less than an A4 sheet of papers thickness of thermal compound between the processor and the heatsink. You have loads of crap there which will have killed the thermal transfer which is no wonder your processor is overheating!

You need to remove ALL the crap from the core of the processor before adding your own compound otherwise it all goes to ****, as you have so well demonstrated..........

Just had to put it bluntly.......

Right, anyway, Henrik, I have the temps in.
NS

It sounds worse than it is really, I was overclocking when you had to use a soldering iron...

I do intend to clean it all off and try again though.

I had a desktop 2.4 HT in an IC7-G recently that ran chronicly hot I thought, till I saw this thing. It's amazing they last.
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post #179 of 348
10/13/03 at 6:18pm
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Ramses, what are your keyb bios? Just so we compare the same kind of apples here.

EDIT: Got it
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post #180 of 348
10/13/03 at 6:22pm
Quote:
Originally posted by Henrik
NS, what are your cpu specs? 2,4 Ghz right?

You are right about the fans, they kick in full blast at 70.

Did you use cpu burn? Try that one for 20 minutes like I did.
I ran for 20 mins, and it is better to run F@H as it creates the extra heat from the extra instruction sets, but I will try the other program if you give me a link to it.

Strangely a min ago it went up to 69, then back to 68 for a min now its back up to 69.
Nope, 68, no, 69.........

NS
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