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post #21 of 348
10/4/03 at 11:02am
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Now, I feel a great deal of satisfaction.
I had to do a reinstallation of Windows XP to enable the hyper-threading. Below is the benchmark of the worlds fastest Sager 5660, the only one on the planet having hyper-threading enabled?

As you can see the fastest reference CPU (P4 3.2 HT) is just a notch up from mine (P4 3.06 HT).

The temperature doesnt seem to be any higher under normal use either.

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post #22 of 348
10/4/03 at 1:07pm
Congrats on a successful merge. Keep us posted on the temps and performance.
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post #23 of 348
10/4/03 at 1:15pm
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Thanks! I did some dancing here when it succeeded

The temperature doesnt seem to be any problem, so far so good. I will soon post a 3dmark2001SE benchmark.
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post #24 of 348
10/4/03 at 1:23pm
WOW!!!

I doubt it will affect your 3D Mark scores...

Hey - let us all have the new BIOS!!! Do you know how to program a BIOS?? Can you do a little bit of underclocking magic? so that we get more battery life?? I have a few suggestions in case you are prepared to do this - but for the moment here is my advice :-

Test, retest and drill your PC like never before...see if you run into any problems...post the BIOS but make a disclaimer...

I think you've been VERY brave and if this solution works without any hassle then you will have made yourself VERY popular on the forums
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post #25 of 348
10/4/03 at 1:32pm
NICE JOB!!
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post #26 of 348
10/5/03 at 3:19am
i might sound too harsh here, but i don't think your reasoning for not trusting AW/Sager/Clevo AND ADAM! because of "SELLING POINT!" is good enought. because what reason to they have not to keep old customers happy? and new customers even more happy with upgraded video ram? AW made quite alot of MAD customers.

Now you got HT working but you have to keep in mind, the CHIPSET used is the same ofcorse it will support HT, so reverse your reasoning that you moved the 64mb video bios to the HT enabled bios, you can also say that you moved the HT enable bios onto the 64mb Bios. so keep that in mind you enabled HT on a under power / Spec motherboard, like many desktop had faced when HT was first released.

so here is two problem you can be facing like overclocked desktops.

#1 the CPU is under powered so basic programs / test will run fine but in heavy usage with HIGH END programs that uses all function of the CPU they could crash, and you have a very unstable system.
i have seen enought desktop overclocked pass most benchmark and burn-in tests but when you really do run any high end graphic apps and games they CRASH quite offen.


#2 the motherboard now is running over their spec, while everything could be running fine right now. but what about down the road? benchmarks doesn't not give you a idea how each components around the motherboard is going to hold up 3 months from now. so you could very well be shortting the life of some components or capacitors life by running them out side of their spec. Capacitors do heat up, leak or even POP when they are ran out of their spec you know.
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post #27 of 348
10/5/03 at 5:15am
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I did already know all of above, but thanks for caring.

My aim to begin with was that because noone really knew what the facts where, I wanted to do a unbiassed research.
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post #28 of 348
10/5/03 at 6:49am
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Originally posted by Henrik
I did already know all of above, but thanks for caring.

My aim to begin with was that because noone really knew what the facts where, I wanted to do a unbiassed research.
??WHAT??
Now that's just wrong.

unbiassed research? Noone knew what the facts where?.

you yourself said you are aware of there could be HW issues, but you didn't buy the reason that the motherboard is under spec given by Adam, AW, SAGER, and CLEVO.

Adam, AW, Sager and Clevo, never said the 64mb 5xxx would have HT when the system was released, well AW did and they are paying the price for that doing motherboard swaps.

you were able to join the two bios together, you think Clevo couldn't do it? or know how to enable HT in the BIOS? now the question here is IF there are Hardware issues due to under spec and it doesn't pass QC, what reason would they have to release a HT enabled bios?

this is also seen offen on desktop motherboard and many other hardwares. where exact models would have REV: 1.4x not supporting one thing while REV: 1.5x does. or even products sold before 10/4/03 doesn't but product after 10/5/03 does.

Maybe they should tell us that YES we can enable HT for you but your computer could BLOW UP after 6 months or crash every time you render a real time movie. so use at your own risk warranty void!

anyway it's nice you got your HT enabled and i bet very happy with it, but i think your attitude at this shouldn't be that Clevo or their resellers has tried to cheat you to force you to buy a new laptop, but something like "WOOHOOO!! i got HT on my 5600 and they said it couldn't be done!!" anyone else want it? use at your own risk you might destroy your laptop!!
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post #29 of 348
10/5/03 at 7:13am
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ok, I couldnt figure out what you were getting at, but I see the problem now.

You have misunderstood my intentions. I for sure dont feel cheated by Clevo or the resellers. I'm sure there is a good reason for them to not enable HT on the Sager 5660/Clevo 5600D. I'm just happy I managed to enable HT on my laptop and I certainly will be careful not to overheat it. I have searched an answer to the question if it is _possible_ to to what I've done.
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post #30 of 348
10/5/03 at 8:13am
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More benchmarking, this time from 3dMark2001se.

The score is achieved with 1024X768@32 bit, mem clock 200, core clock 259. The reason why I choosed this settings was to compare with this thread where PCTORQUE achieves 7597 with the same settings. I haven't yet experiented with how much I can OC the GPU simply because I dont play games.

Interestingly enough I dont seem to get any performace penalty because of the hyper-threading enabled, which I had expected. But the scores may differ because I have the 6351 drivers.

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post #31 of 348
10/5/03 at 9:59am
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Look, my Sager 5660 outperforms a 3,2Mhz HT system

Still no cooling problem or problems at all

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post #32 of 348
10/5/03 at 10:57am
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Nice results @ 274,5 core clock and 207 memory clock

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post #33 of 348
10/5/03 at 12:53pm
Dont bash the dude - he has done something interesting - let us help him along and maybe it will profit all 5660/8886 users...

Personally I wouldnt have thought twice to do a CPU swap and giving the 2.8 CPU to my brother for his system...But thats another story now...waiting to order my 5680

Good job Henrik!!! Dont let em get you down...

Continue with the research!!
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post #34 of 348
10/5/03 at 3:10pm
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Thanks alot gsferrari. I feel a little bit misunderstood here.
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post #35 of 348
10/5/03 at 5:41pm
Keep up the good work!
Now if someone could unlock all the bios features in the 5660 that control power saving options,bios shadowing,fsb etc...?
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post #36 of 348
10/5/03 at 6:16pm
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I have been doing some research while tinkering with my bios, my conclusions so far is as follows:

There arent any "hidden" or "locked" options in the Phoenix bios for the 5660 that can be easily unlocked. This probably is the case for almost all laptops with Phoenix bios. The reasoning behind this is probably that it is the OS who should make the right decisions. The fan speed seems to be hardwired to a internal temperature sensor and cannot be controlled. The only temperature sensor I have managed to read is the one for the harddrive. I dont think its possible to read the internal temperature sensor from a program.

I have been investigating into changing the FSB and the PLL used is ICS 950201 (I opened the case and checked). This PLL can be clocked to 66, 100, 133 and 200 Mhz. The actual setting now is 133 (x4 Quad data rate = 533 Mhz). My processor multiplier is 23 (133*23 = 3.06GHz). I wonder what Tenchi would say if I clocked it at 200*33=4.6Ghz :-) This PLL isnt connected to the SMBus and can therefore not be changed by the usual OC tools. I'm quite certain I could develop a underclock tool, like running 1/2 speed. But I'm already lagging behind my daytime job because of my bios tinkering so maybe some time in the future.
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post #37 of 348
10/5/03 at 7:14pm
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Now my intention was to write a full report of my project but all that comes to my mind is no problems whatsoever. Except for one small thing but I'm not sure if its related to my hybrid bios or HT in general. The sound works fine but the driver use a lot of CPU. I've read in newsgroups that it can be a problem with drivers for sound devices not supporting HT.

In the task manager in XP, Processes page, everything looks nice, System Idle Process 99%, but when I look at the Performance page, at the graph I can clearly see that the Kernel is eating CPU time even when I dont play sounds. Use View/Show Kernel Times to see the Kernel utilization. When I disable the sound device in Device Manager the CPU Usage drops to zero on idle.

Could anyone with HT enabled 5670 Windows XP please verify this?
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post #38 of 348
10/5/03 at 9:51pm
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I have started a new thread for the issue above. I also have found out that the problem only exists under SP1 (Windows XP) so it isnt a issue with my bios.
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post #39 of 348
10/6/03 at 4:29pm
A HT P4 will score the same as a Normal P4 in 3DMark as 3DMark does not utilise more than 1 processor (so having 8 processors will still score the same).

One game that I know of that would benefit would be Quake 3 because strangely enough it supports multiple processors.

Nice to see it all working though,
Replied to your other thread btw.

NS
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post #40 of 348
10/6/03 at 4:32pm
In regard to the Award BIOS question, yes, Award and even AMI BIOS have ALOT more options that Phoenix BIOS, Phoenix BIOS are cut down so badly that it isn't funny. No RAM timings, no shadowing options, no heat readouts, no cache options, no APM options, etc etc.

Just look at your own Desktop PCs BIOS (DEL at POST) as long as it is reletively new (last 2 years) , it will have about 8x more options.

We need RAM timing options. This RAM could easily run at 2-2-2-2 timing, but it is stuck at 3-3-3-7 due to the crap BIOS implementation. That would give a NICE speed boost.

NS
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