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post #61 of 348
10/7/03 at 9:42pm
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Are you going to try my bios?
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post #62 of 348
10/7/03 at 9:49pm
Yes, but its 2am and I have to be up for work at 7 tommorow
g'Night

NS
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post #63 of 348
10/7/03 at 9:50pm
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here in sweden its 3 am, have a nice sleep
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post #64 of 348
10/7/03 at 9:55pm
Before I go, it seems the RAM timings boosted the CPUs speed some how.......

Top is now, the others were before I changed the timing,



NS
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post #65 of 348
10/7/03 at 9:58pm
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yep, the adjustments are real, too bad it doesnt increment performance more than it does.
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post #66 of 348
10/7/03 at 9:59pm
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Are your 2,4Ghz a HT Processor?
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post #67 of 348
10/7/03 at 10:49pm
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New memtimings 2-2-2-5

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post #68 of 348
10/8/03 at 4:08am
Right, firstly those RAM timings have currupted the Registry hive file "system" so the computer no longer boots. The RAM must be so crap not to be able to handle 2-2-2 timings, because even the cheapest of the cheap can.

Secondly, your BIOS wont flash, it just says "System and ROM file Cant match !!" again (when using hybrid.rom).

NS
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post #69 of 348
10/8/03 at 7:15am
Managed to get Windows working again by copying the C:\Windows\Repair\System file to C:\Windows\System32\Config\System. All devices are back on old drivers, but Windows works.

Still would like you know why the BIOS refuses to flash though.

NS
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post #70 of 348
10/8/03 at 7:16am
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I have updated the bios zip file to include the flash tools from the 1.02.07. Sorry for not getting it right the first time. Now it should work. Download the file again.

Sorry to hear about your RAM, it works for me, this **** happens when you try to tweak your computer sometimes.
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post #71 of 348
10/8/03 at 7:26am
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Originally posted by Henrik
I have updated the bios zip file to include the flash tools from the 1.02.07. Sorry for not getting it right the first time. Now it should work. Download the file again.

Sorry to hear about your RAM, it works for me, this **** happens when you try to tweak your computer sometimes.
Ok thanks.

Yeah, I know about overclocking, I managed to get my 1533mhz Athlon XP up to 2050mhz, which isn't bad. But I cant push the FSB any higher than 183 as the NIC currupts anything that goes through it.

Can't believe how crap this laptop RAM is though...

I'll try again, this time one at a time, see which one is the culprit.

NS
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post #72 of 348
10/8/03 at 7:35am
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NS, are your P4 a HT?

And what results do you get in 3DMark2001se?
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post #73 of 348
10/8/03 at 8:17am
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It would be nice of you who installes the bios to drop a line here, I'm giving away free CPU power
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post #74 of 348
10/8/03 at 10:03am
No, it's not a HT, I am just intending on checking other potential side effects, and also would be nice to have a newer BIOS (mine is still the original from November last year).

NS
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post #75 of 348
10/8/03 at 10:05am
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NS wrote (in another thread)
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The memory timing this isn't much use at all though as it only takes effect when you boot into Windows. We need a real BIOS control over the RAM timing as most of the time I am in Linux.
Now when you know which PCI registers to alter, and to which values, I'm sure you can find a dos or linux utility to do the same job. Dont see the problems, see the possibilities!
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post #76 of 348
10/8/03 at 10:12am
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Now when you know which PCI registers to alter, and to which values, I'm sure you can find a dos or linux utility to do the same job. Dont see the problems, see the possibilities!
The problem is evedently ominous though. Be it booting off a boot disk to Ghost, or running a Temp OS, it will be using the slow RAM timings. It's like video overclocking, it is easier to flash the BIOS of the video chip with the higher clock speeds so the effect is always present, though this is more apparent as the effect is system-wide rather than just graphic related.
Damned if I know any Linux utilities to change registers on an Intel motherboard either.

My point is, the effort needed to create the same effect of BIOS overclocking by using software for eveything else is huge in comparison.

NS
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post #77 of 348
10/8/03 at 10:15am
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My point is, the effort needed to create the same effect of BIOS overclocking by using software for eveything else is huge in comparison.
You sure risk a lot more by tinkering with the bios
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post #78 of 348
10/8/03 at 10:16am
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Hey, maybe I will investigate more into it further NS, right now it seems like little value because the performance increase was so little. I'm working on changing the FSB right now.
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post #79 of 348
10/8/03 at 10:23am
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You sure risk a lot more by tinkering with the bios
Only if it is the Video BIOS. With the video BIOS, if it flashes and it cant handle the speeds then you will most likely not be able to see anything.

As opposed to RAM timings in the BIOS, which is basically safe untill the machine tries to boot, which means you are still safe for changing it back.

As opposed to changing the speed in Windows, which like happened to me, the machine wouldn't boot because of the latency, but I couldnt get into Windows to dissable the program, so Windows wouldnt boot. Continue infinite loop.

See my point?

You can also reset the BIOS by removing the backup battery for 5 minutes or by shorting it out with the given battery, which just loses you a few settings which will take a minute at most to change back, as opposed to reparing Windows, if at all possible, may just end in formatting the drive, which loses hell of a lot more than just a few settings?

This speed increase it an advance, I will admit, but albiet not a particually useful one in a lot of scenarios.

Changing the FSB will be severly limited by the destinct lack of cooling on the Northbridge (which are normally hot and have fans under normal circumstances).

Moddiying the BIOS to allow for PC2700 or even PC3200 would deffinately be a big step. I don't see why it couldn't support 2700 though at most PC motherboards would back when they were 2100 boards originally.

NS
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post #80 of 348
10/8/03 at 10:59am
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As opposed to changing the speed in Windows, which like happened to me, the machine wouldn't boot because of the latency, but I couldnt get into Windows to dissable the program, so Windows wouldnt boot. Continue infinite loop.
You can disable autostart programs by holding down Control key or something similar if I remember correctly

Of course I see your point, its very convinient to have it in bios, I dont want to start an argument about that, simply because I will lose What I really meant was that I dont have the time to do it now, maybe in the future


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Changing the FSB will be severly limited by the destinct lack of cooling on the Northbridge (which are normally hot and have fans under normal circumstances).
The primarily use will be to downclock, because there isnt a small step increment to overclock, but I will try to run my cpu at 4.6 Ghz
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