Acer Ferrari 4000 - Page 4

But will the turion do better on battery life then the current low power AMD64 procs in the Ferrari 3400 and 3200?

I mean the peak wattage of the ML-37 is 35W
Whats the peak voltage of the low power AMD64

This is mostly guesswork

Rough differences
Cpu: $91 (amd pricelist)
Screen125 (dell cost to up a screen)
Two dims of 512 insetad of 2 dimms of 256. cost of replacement: $150
Total so far: $366

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the aspire 5024 also doesn’t have/not upgradeable to include:
dvi
ezdock capability
Bluetooth (roughly worth 100 total? for module and bluetooth mouse)

and the 5024 is heavier by 0.2 kg
there has been the reported problem with travelmate/aspire paint job.
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=80721

then factor in risk of hassle from “importing” a laptop and the what not; does anyone know what the duty rate is for importing?
and of course possible resale value and the looks factor. hahaha

the extras don’t make it equal out for some, but then again it does for others. *shrugs*
to each their own.

The 8100 series are a great design, i personally prefer the nice silver then some black and red note book, looks neat and all but i dunno there is sumthing about it that looks weird still.

As the design is neater you say? It looks more childish, then neater, maybe they hired a few kids to come up with that.

I would like some test when this comes out to go head with head with the acer 8104 clock for clock that is basically the same unit just different memory modules and cpu's

bu it would be interesting to see it go head to head. to see what gamepc article realy is true that the turion is not a great preformer.

the ferrari series all your paying for is the

HORSE! the ferrari symbol and the name nothiing more.

i hav found the estimated price of it in Taiwan is 72000NTD which equals US around 2181..so expensive as i got my Ferrari 3400 for 59000NTD ~1787 US...

Hardly. The chassis of the Acer Ferrari 4000 series is made of carbon fibre compared to only aluminium colored plastic on the Acer Travelmate 8100 series. Compared to the Ferrari the Travelmate seems rather ordinary and pretty dull I think.

Yes, that would be very interesting to see a proper review comparing the two although I don't expect to see any. The GamePC review was so flawed in almost all respects that I wouldn't put much confidence in it. I suggest that we wait for proper reviews to appear before making any judgements. By comparing Acer Ferrari 3400 with Acer Travelmate 8006 we already know that the low-power Mobile Athlon 64 perform better clock-for-clock compared to Pentium M. Turion 64 is basically the same processor as the low-power Mobile Athlon 64, only with cooler and lower power transistors, 1MB L2 cache and SSE3 support. Based on this I expect that the Turion 64 will perform even better than the low-power Mobile Athlon 64 clock-for-clock, and I therefore wouldn't be much surprised if the Acer Ferrari 4000 also out-performs the Acer Travelmate 8104.

Don't be stupid, you're getting the best laptop Acer can make. It's better than all other models they sell in almost every respect, so you get your money's worth no doubt about it.

Does the chipset of the Ferrari 4000 support DDR400? If it does then could one just buy something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145540
and replace the existing RAM with it?

In the manual it shows how to install memory, but I don't know if both memory sockets can be accessed from the underside of the notebook. Does that mean the other memory slot would be located underneath the keyboard? (Taking off a plate from the bottom of the notebook is one thing, but taking off the keyboard would be a little scary for me to do.)

Does that mean that the Ferrari 4000 only comes with 1 stick of 1GB DDR333 RAM? If you stuck in another 1GB DDR333 RAM stick wouldn’t it run in dual channel mode?

Yes, the integrated memory controller of the Turion 64 supports DDR400 memory and should work without problems on the Acer Ferrari 4000. I don't know why Acer equip Ferrari 4000 with slower DDR333 memory, perhaps price?

I recommend upgrading the memory to DDR400, preferably a pair of Corsair XMS3200 512MB SO-DIMM DDR400 memory sticks (part no. CMXSD512-3200LL):
http://www.corsair.com/corsair/produ...512-3200ll.pdf

I guess so, but I wouldn't know for sure before I've seen it or the service manual. Replacing the memory under the keyboard isn't a big issue though, especially when you know how to do it since it dosen't void your warranty

No, since Turion 64 dosen't support dual channel. It shouldn't be a problem though, as with DDR400 is should provide higher memory bandwidth in practice than a Pentium M (533FSB) with dual channel DDR2-533 since it got a much faster memory interface.

can't agree or disagree on this one.

but so far the 8104 is the top of the line for acer
it's fully loaded can't ask for more.. i think many will still prefer the 8104.. i had read somewhere or heard somewhere that the turion battery life is not impressive at all.

gamepc a lot of people seem to think it's flawed, but a lot of review sites are even refering to it, and even the inquirer said that the turion wasn't really impressive .. many people seems to be saying that..

now this is impressie of a dotha chip overclocked superPI score under 20seconds,, i haven't seen ANY amd chip yet to do this even overclocked..



source :: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=62415

Don't use a single benchmark to be the watermark for all performance. You need to run diffrent benchmarks as well as real world apps. To say that the PM is hands down better gust because of Super PI performance is miss leading. You need to take into account that diffrent benchmarks test diffrent things. Super PI is bias towards the PM mostly for its large CPU cache. The PMs have beaten AMD64s and P4 simply for this reason alone, but both processors are still superior to the PM when it comes to over all performance.

The Turion still hasn't been throughly benched with a mobile chipset in a performance system. Hold judgement till other sites can put it to the test.

Lots of reviews have been panning the Turion, and I can't figure out why. It does not appear to be any different from any other AMD64 pocessors, and they do perform very well. That said, in gaming benchmarks there is very little difference between an AMD64 FX55 and a Pentium M 2Ghz (that amazes me too).

I would estimate that a 2Ghz Turion would be slightly slower than a 2Ghz Pentium M running 32-bit code for gaming, and slightly faster running Linux or FPU intensive code. More than likely the user would not be able to tell the difference between the Ferrari and the 8104.

But, if the Turion is using the Venice core from AMD it will run a LOT cooler than the Pentium M which would be a big thing considering how bad the thermal characteristics of the 8100/Ferrari 4K case is.

cool link from AMDboard

http://www.amdboard.com/ferrari_4000.html
Why why why not Windows xp 64Bit????
Looks exactly like 8104 with Ferrari fiber carbon cover and slot loaded DVD with AMD Turion for $400 more than 8104 look alike?? Are they out of their mind
They should add some sort of Xbrite to the screen or 256MB to X700 lilke 9300 with Nvidia 6800 /256MB..

Still like the Red Ferrari 3400 better. Will get one when drop another 300 or more when the new one comes out.


Operating system
- Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
- Microsoft Windows XP Professional

Platform
- Processor: AMD Turion 64 processor
- Chipset: ATI RADEON XPRESS 200P

Memory
- 1 GB of DDR333 memory, upgradeable to 2 GB using two soDIMM modules

Display
- 15.4" WSXGA+ TFT LCD, 1680 x 1050 resolution
- 16.7 million colors

Graphics
- ATI Mobility Radeon X700 with 128 MB of external DDR VRAM, supporting ATI Powerplay 5.0, Microsoft
- DirectX 9.0 and PCI Express
- DualView support; external display at up to 2048 x 1536 pixel resolution, 85 Hz
- MPEG-2 DVD hardware-assisted capability
- S-video/TV-out (NTSC/PAL) support
- DVI-D (true digital video interface) support







Audio
- Audio system with microphone and two built-in speakers
- AC'97 compliant
- S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface) support

Storage
- 100 GB ATA/100 hard disk drive
- 5-in-1 card reader supporting Memory Stick®, Memory Stick Pro, MultiMediaCard (MMC), Secure Digital (SD) and xD-Picture Card

Optical media drive
- Slot-load DVD-Super Multi double-layer drive

Communication
- Modem: 56K ITU V.92 with PTT approval;
- Wake-on-Ring ready
- LAN: gigabit Ethernet; Wake-on-LAN ready
- WLAN: integrated Acer InviLink™ 802.11b/g Wi-Fi CERTIFIED™ solution; supporting Acer SignalUp wireless technology
- WPAN: integrated Bluetooth








Size and weight
- 363 (W) x 265.7 (D) x 30.5/34.3 (H) mm
- (14.29 x 10.46 x 1.2/1.36 inches)
- 2.86 kg (6.3 lbs.)

Power
- ACPI 1.0b power management standard supports Standby and Hibernation power-saving modes
- 71 W Li-ion battery pack
- 2.5-hour rapid charge, 3.5-hour charge-in-use
- 3-pin 90 W AC adapter

Special keys and controls
- 88-/89-key Acer FineTouch™ keyboard
- Built-in touchpad with 4-way scroll button
- Four easy-launch buttons
- Two front-access buttons: WLAN LED-button and Bluetooth® LED-button







I/O ports
- 124-pin Acer ezDock connector
- Four USB 2.0 ports
- IEEE 1394 port (4-pin)
- Ethernet (RJ-45) port
- Modem (RJ-11) port
- External display (VGA) port
- S-video/TV-out (NTSC/PAL) port
- DVI-D port
- Microphone/line-in jack
- Headphones/speaker/line-out port with S/PDIF support
- PC Card slot (one Type II)
- 5-in-1 card reader
- DC-in jack for AC adapter

Software
- Acer eManager (Acer ePresentation/eRecovery/eSettings)
- Acer GridVista
- Acer Launch Manager
- Acer System Recovery CD
- Adobe® Reader®
- CyberLink® PowerDVD™
- Norton AntiVirus™
- NTI CD-Maker™

Optional items
- Acer ezDock
- Additional Li-ion battery pack
- Additional AC adapter

Environment Temperature:
• Operating: 5° C to 35° C
• Non-operating: -20° C to 65° C
- Humidity (non-condensing):
• Operating: 20% to 80%
• Non-operating: 20% to 80%

System compliance
- Mobile PC 2001
- ACPI 1.0b
- DMI 2.0
- Cisco Compatible Extensions (CCX)

But, in short terms ¿what is the difference between Turion and Amd mobile64?
Of course the voltage, but what else thechnicly?
Im still thinking :Sonoma, Centrino, Intel is a waist of money for nothing...

Exactly what I was asking...

In the Ferrari 3400 is a Low Power AMD64 3000+
What is the Voltage Rating in that? The Turion ML-37 is 35W and we know the battery life of that, so what is the rating of the AMD64 3000+?

That should give us some idea of what kind of battery we can expect with the Ferrari 4000....apparently PCI-E also has some good battery savings as compared to the M9700.

Better battery timings on the Turion of course.
the Amd mobile64 comsumption is 62w Much or less.
My 3400 giveme 2 1/2 a 3 hs of battery life. I hope 5 or 6 hs for the turion.
Remember Acer use 8 cell battery. Another like toshiba or sony still don't.
In fact the frontier is a 8 hs of battery life. But i think this numbers will be reached almost 2006/07.
Neither of the best companys will do a big steps. Everybody will sell you a product with a little improvement for to much cost. All we know the technology of the next 5 years exist today. But also, nothing we can do about it.

" This was my red speech "

If you already have a Ferrari 3400 there might not be a good reason to upgrade to the 400 unless you like the widescreen and the more powerful grafics card. But since i am still running on my old P3 500Mhz, the new Ferrari 4000 wil mostlikely be my next laptop.

See this:

AMD Turion uses different kinds of transistors
P.S. C3 state is short for PowerNow! C3 Deeper sleep state, a power saving mode.

To jump back a little ways, I don't see why acer would use pc2700 unless the chipset can't support pc3200. The turion supports pc3200 b/c all amd64 chips do (except for a few initial opterons), right? The price difference between a 1GB stick of pc3200 and pc2700 is $60 on crucial.com. Did they really not think about this, or is the manual wrong, or does the chipset not support pc3200?

No. The manual is fine. The real cost for the company is not the same for us
"Its all about the money, baby"

What I was trying to get at is that there are other places to cut corners that would be more beneficial to them. For example, The difference in price between an ml-37 and an ml-34 is more than $100. So there is not a large change in the processor frequency, but there is a (more) significant change in the price.