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Which graphics card is better? 128mb X300 or 64mb 9600

post #1 of 31
5/18/05 at 11:42pm
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Hey,I was wondering if anyone can tell me which one is better a
1.128mb x300 PCI Express-Dell 6000
or
2.64mb ATI Redeon 9600
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post #2 of 31
5/18/05 at 11:53pm
the 9600 will give you higher framerates, and it has more dedicated memory. the x300 has only 32 MB of dedicated memory, and takes the rest from the system memory. hope that helps!
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post #3 of 31
5/19/05 at 3:04am
I don't belive in the theory that the X300 uses main memory. It would be essentially fraud to say "64 or 128 MB version" if they all have 32 MB.

Besides, the X300 seems a little better than the 9600 (non pro) when properly clocked.
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post #4 of 31
5/19/05 at 5:21am
If the same guy who proposed that the X300 only has 32 MBs of dedicated Ram in a 128 MB card was the guy who said that the 6800go only had 12 MBs of dedicated Ram and borrowed the rest of the 244 MBs from the main system Ram then I see no reason to believe it at all.
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post #5 of 31
5/19/05 at 9:22am
They'd be pretty similar, you'd need to see what the GPU memory was clocked at on each system...

The x300 comes in a few different flavours. The 128MB one I don't think uses that hypermemory stuff, just the low MB ones do.
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post #6 of 31
5/19/05 at 10:55am
I get around 3000 on 3DMark03 with my 9600, depending on the o/c...
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post #7 of 31
5/19/05 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by Djembe_Rob
the 9600 will give you higher framerates, and it has more dedicated memory. the x300 has only 32 MB of dedicated memory, and takes the rest from the system memory. hope that helps!
EDIT: I was wrong, Djembe_Rob is right the Mobility X300 does use hypermemory.
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post #8 of 31
5/19/05 at 12:26pm
edit: no prob. I'm always open to correction, too!
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post #9 of 31
5/19/05 at 12:30pm

I was wrong

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Originally Posted by Djembe_Rob
sorry, my bad. I got them mixed up.
Actually it's my bad, you were right. The mobility X300's use hypermemory. Only the desktop X300's are dedicated. Sorry.
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post #10 of 31
5/19/05 at 1:06pm
Wait you sure the X300 uses hype memory?
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post #11 of 31
5/19/05 at 1:09pm
Allright, straight from ATI's site

"HyperMemory - Uses the high-speed bi-directional data transfer capabilities of PCI Express to store and access graphics data in system memory, leading to less dependence on dedicated graphics memory and a lower overall notebook cost"

http://www.ati.com/products/mobility...300/specs.html

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post #12 of 31
5/19/05 at 1:17pm
and, for a better comparison, I believe they have similar 3DMark03 scores, but the 9600 has better 3DMark05 scores. (although I've heard some variance with this)
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post #13 of 31
5/19/05 at 2:53pm
Even as of yet, I haven't see a single proof of the X300 using hypermemory.

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HyperMemory

* Uses the high-speed bi-directional data transfer capabilities of PCI Express to store and access graphics data in system memory, leading to less dependence on dedicated graphics memory and a lower overall notebook cost.

Multiple Variants For Ultimate Design Flexibility
Support for multiple mobile form factors:

* Discrete
* On-chip 32MB DDR (64-bit)
* On-chip 64MB DDR (64-bit)
The X300 provides the option for DISCRETE (this is, external) memory. As you can see, ATI doesn't offer 128 MB configurations, so that must be the X300 plus external regular RAM.

I really doubt that an hypermemory video card can match the performance of a Radeon 9600 with 128 bit interface. So, if they perform similary must also have similary specs.
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post #14 of 31
5/19/05 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by mikemex
Even as of yet, I haven't see a single proof of the X300 using hypermemory.
It's listed in the specifications on ATI's website.....which you quoted....lol


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The X300 provides the option for DISCRETE (this is, external) memory. As you can see, ATI doesn't offer 128 MB configurations, so that must be the X300 plus external regular RAM.

I really doubt that an hypermemory video card can match the performance of a Radeon 9600 with 128 bit interface. So, if they perform similary must also have similary specs.
You're right ATI doesnt offer a 128MB dedicated mobile X300, the 128MB mobile X300 uses 64MB dedicated, and 64MB Shared. The 64MB Mobile X300 uses 32MB dedicated, and 32MB shared. You do realize that hypermemory means it uses both dedicated and shared right?
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post #15 of 31
5/23/05 at 3:13am
The 128 MB version I mean. I am quite sure it uses 128 MB of real, dedicated memory.

If you want to find out, search in the process list of the task manager about a process that consumes about 64 MB of RAM called *ati*. If there is no such process how is it supposed to grab the memory?
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post #16 of 31
5/23/05 at 11:50am
Mikemex: On machines with dedicated memory the motherboard doesn't even tell the OS about the memory used by the GPU. Everything in Windows and Linux reports that my mother's laptop has 480 MB of main memory, even though there is a 512 stick in there: the Radeon IGP Sucktastic 340 uses the rest.
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post #17 of 31
5/23/05 at 1:40pm
Yes, I have said it before. If the system reports less memory, then the video card is shared.

HOWEVER, no one has reported having less than actual memory available with the X300. The memory is either reserved under windows by a driver, or there is no such shared memory.
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post #18 of 31
5/23/05 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by mikemex
The 128 MB version I mean. I am quite sure it uses 128 MB of real, dedicated memory.

If you want to find out, search in the process list of the task manager about a process that consumes about 64 MB of RAM called *ati*. If there is no such process how is it supposed to grab the memory?
The OS is not involved in it, so there is no process using the 64MB, also, it only uses the shared ram as needed, not all the time.
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post #19 of 31
5/23/05 at 3:25pm
If not done properly, you simply can't borrow memory or you will cause serious data corruption. That's why the systems with shared video memory always report lesser memory: it is reserved at startup and it is NOT accesible by the OS.

If the X300 uses hypermemory as you say AND the system reports the memory as complete, the only other option is to use a driver to reserve the memory under the operating system. If there is no such process borrowing memory then there is no hypermemory. There is nothing to get around it.

Again, the video card cannot simply access the memory as it wants. It's not how a computer really works.
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post #20 of 31
5/23/05 at 4:23pm
I gotta say, I agree with mike.
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