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Raid or not to Raid

post #1 of 6
Thread Starter 
Hi all im thinking about buying another 80gb hard drive so i can set up a raid 0 array. What I want to know is, has anyone else here done the same if so what performance increase you gained, was it worth doing for perfomance issues alone. Also where there any problems.
Any advice would be appreciated...thanks
post #2 of 6
You can expect a minimum of 50% speed up. The main things you will notice are windows start times are shorter, games load a bit quicker (particularly ones that load extra components during game play eg. Max Payne). Saving large files to disk is also quicker. Overall the laptop will appear "snappier" if that makes any sense.

There are a couple of downsides to using RAID 0.
I am not sure if this is the same on the 98xx machines but when the disks are in raid config you lose the ability to monitor their temps as the controller is not recognised by mobilemeter.
The second and most important one is backups. You have two points of failure. Make sure you have adequate backups. Personally if I am installing RAID 0 I would get two new disks rather than using an old and a new one together. There again 9860's are fairly new so the existing disk has hardly had time to get warm

RAID on.
post #3 of 6
The downside of a raid 0 configuration is that you lose the ability to leverage disk usage: you can't designate a drive for operating systems and important apps and another one for games and swapfiles of windows, photoshop or other applications.
Of course you can partition a single or raided drive, if you want your system to stay nice and clean - but two seperate drives give a nice performance gain in the afore mentioned usage type, since they can be accessed independent of each other.
In my experience a single fast drive tends to become messy and fragmented far too fast as that the higher maximum performance of raid 0 can be really noted - IMHO two separate drives are more secure and more performant in everyday usage.
post #4 of 6
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply Aussie and Martin you both make some intresting points,
You have me thinking even more now on what to do
mmmmm I think ill go with the raid option though i like the idea of snappier system .well lets face it thats why we all bought one of these expensive beast in the first place . I would have had it configured that way in the first place but i bought mine from a uk company called Mesh ,and they never gave that option. Anyway cheers again for your time much appreciated
post #5 of 6
Couple of points that Martin made may need refuting (I love a good argument).
Point 1. "two seperate drives are more secure" - not really you still have two points of failure. Ok if you keep all your data on one disk and just the os on the other then if the os disk goes down you have your data intact. However you still have to recover your OS, either from a backup or by reload CD, drivers, patches, extra programs, settings, tweaks, etc etc. Doing an OS reinstall is a right pain as you would well be aware of. Reloading data is much easier - you just have to make sure you have a reliable and frequent backup to restore from.

Which brings me to another point: backups. In my experience (all 30 years of it - yeah I know I am nearly pushing 50 ) the simpler the backup the better the result. For that reason using a single large partition for Windows and then use ASR for backups (one reason I got WinXP Pro and not Home) means you have a simple no nonsense recovery mechanism. I use three external USB drives (250GB) each onto which I copy the ASR image. That happens the last thing before I go to bed. That way the system is fully backed up for the day. Otherwise you are going to need to remember to schedule backups for each disk independently which can increase the chance of something going wrong.

The point of separating os activity from other activity has merit but from my own experience with most PC systems (Unix servers behave differently) you are better off having them both on the same disk. Modern disk drives particularly the 7K60 or 7K100 fast disks and XP caching means the impact of an OS program writing to the same disk as your app would be (video capture being about the worst example) is better handled with one RAID disk than with two disks. Why? It has to do with disk write ordering, disk sync and disk controllers. The architecture of most PC's particularly laptops is such that the second disk is going to bottleneck anyway due to one of the above reasons. By tying both disks into a single RAID disk the bottleneck is then reduced to the throughput of the RAID controller not the OS or hardware design. Overall a RAID solution will give you better throughput.

On the issue of fragmentation that happens on either disk - OS and/or data. Most of it is due to the way WinXP/NTFS allocates sectors. Since Microsoft refuses to release the code for NTFS nobody outside them can tell if it is an efficient use of disk resources or not. I would say they have tried to make it work as efficiently as they can. Just be aware that fragmentation is not necessarily a *bad* thing. It can actually speed up a system due to the way the task load causes the disk heads to move across the disk anyway. We rarely defragement our Unix based RAID disks for this very reason. Often they are slower after we do so.
post #6 of 6
Bottom line:
Laptops being what they are will bottleneck with two disks running.
You still have to backup both OS and data whether they are on the same partition or different as both are valuable to you and reinstalling an OS can take days to get right.
Keeping backups simple means you are more likely to be able to recover from a disaster.
Using two disks in any configuration (RAID or not) will increase the probability of failure by the same amount (well almost - the OS disk might fail first due to more usage). For a complete discussion on MTBF and RAID disks see:
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=47728
http://notebookforums.com/showthread...559#post110559 (for the mathematically minded)
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=10123

So RAID on
But backup always :
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