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How can SATA HDD improve performance in Z71V?

post #1 of 56
5/24/05 at 10:36am
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Looking at the board the serial connector looks like nothing but an adapter plugging into the PATA port for the IDE drive, it is going into the same channel still, and should still be shared with the rom drive. It is just adaptor for a serial drive to click in. Do people who bought serial drives have anything to compare burn times against, because I really dont see how they are seeing any performance increase unless it is just the more highly optimized serial drive doing its work. I guess it is possible maybe one side of the onboard connector is serial and the other PATA and it Ys off to the serial and PATA chipset...can anyone confirm this?
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post #2 of 56
5/24/05 at 1:08pm
Z71V is native SATA.

Sonoma design only has 1 IDE channel. The typical HD will sit as IDE Primary and the DVD drive will sit as IDE secondary. This will slow down the system when using a DVD drive that needing access to the HD at the same time.

SATA will put the HD in it's own channel, thus no bog down.
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post #3 of 56
5/24/05 at 1:38pm
but wasn't it confirmed that SATA drives on the Z71V was useless, that it didn't recognize it as a SATA drive and that it still shared the channel w/ the optical drive?

There was a huge thread on this called "ASUS's huge brain fart" or something like that .........
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post #4 of 56
5/24/05 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by Studio54
but wasn't it confirmed that SATA drives on the Z71V was useless, that it didn't recognize it as a SATA drive and that it still shared the channel w/ the optical drive?

There was a huge thread on this called "ASUS's huge brain fart" or something like that .........
THere is someone here uses the SATA drive with the Z71V

Ithe brain fart i think is more of an intel design rather than Asus hehe
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post #5 of 56
5/24/05 at 8:23pm
Ok I don't know much about this stuff and I'm as confused as anybody else but i'd like to believe that my drives are on separate channels...I went into nero info tools and found this out:


Also, the location for my HDD and DVD are 0(0) and 1(1) in device manager
Please let me know if i'm mistaken about this.


Does that really mean the two drives are on different channel? Is nero info tools reliable enough find this out? What's the most decisive way I can find out the drives are really on separate channels and that getting a SATA drive was really worth it? Any suggesstion would be helpful.
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post #6 of 56
5/25/05 at 2:04am
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Originally Posted by chelnov80
Ok I don't know much about this stuff and I'm as confused as anybody else but i'd like to believe that my drives are on separate channels...I went into nero info tools and found this out:


Also, the location for my HDD and DVD are 0(0) and 1(1) in device manager
Please let me know if i'm mistaken about this.


Does that really mean the two drives are on different channel? Is nero info tools reliable enough find this out? What's the most decisive way I can find out the drives are really on separate channels and that getting a SATA drive was really worth it? Any suggesstion would be helpful.

Nope, they are on the same IDE channel. It is just that one is primary and the other one is secondary. But both feeds of IDE ONE.
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post #7 of 56
5/25/05 at 2:25am
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Originally Posted by smilepak
Z71V is native SATA.

Sonoma design only has 1 IDE channel. The typical HD will sit as IDE Primary and the DVD drive will sit as IDE secondary. This will slow down the system when using a DVD drive that needing access to the HD at the same time.

SATA will put the HD in it's own channel, thus no bog down.
Are you saying that anything with Sonoma has only 1 ide? So the Sager 3880 prolly only has 1 ide?
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post #8 of 56
5/25/05 at 2:25am
Well my delusion felt good while it lasted...all this time I was thinking I got lucky...but its nice to get a decisive answer finally...
Thanks Smilepak..
One question though: from what I understood, aren't primary and secondary channels supposed to be different (like the two separate IDE cables in a desktop?) and both can have a master and a slave? So howcome nero tools shows the drives on primary and secondary even though they are feeding off 1 IDE? I'm not sure if i make any sense but thanks in advance if you can help.
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post #9 of 56
5/25/05 at 12:22pm
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No...acording to nero tools each drive is on its own channel, every board with two IDE channels will show one as primary and one as secondary.

So acording to that your running off of two different channels....although I would hardly take Neros word for it, as I doubt it can tell the difference between master/salve and primary/secondary.
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post #10 of 56
5/25/05 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by smilepak
Z71V is native SATA.

SATA will put the HD in it's own channel, thus no bog down.
But does the Z71V actually do this?? If all it has is an SATA -> PATA adapter then it plugs into the PATA connector, then it's still running as PATA unless the laptop can somehow change which channel the data goes through (PATA or SATA)... Which I suppose could be possible, but I've never heard of anything like this before.

Someone needs to step up and do some experiments with both an SATA and PATA HD and figure out what's really going on here..
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post #11 of 56
5/25/05 at 6:00pm
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im going to buy a SATA drive and run benchmarks on both if no one else is.
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post #12 of 56
5/25/05 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by GamingTechy
im going to buy a SATA drive and run benchmarks on both if no one else is.
attaboy! GamingTechy to the rescue! That might help sort this out. I'd like to believe that my drives are on separate channels...but whatever the verdict is, I'm happy with my configuration as sofar I haven't noticed any problems...but then again I haven't been burning a lot of DVDs. Let us know what you find out.

Thanks for the replies.
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post #13 of 56
5/25/05 at 6:22pm
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burning time is unimportant to me, I don't burn a lot of DVDs so as long as it takes is quick enough, but im performence pyscho and I like to know which way is faster regaurdless if its noticeable or not.
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post #14 of 56
5/25/05 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by jlogan2005
Are you saying that anything with Sonoma has only 1 ide? So the Sager 3880 prolly only has 1 ide?
That is correct. All SONOMA are on the same boat of a problem as Z71V

http://www.intel.com/products/i/chip...iagram_760.gif



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One question though: from what I understood, aren't primary and secondary channels supposed to be different (like the two separate IDE cables in a desktop?) and both can have a master and a slave? So howcome nero tools shows the drives on primary and secondary even though they are feeding off 1 IDE? I'm not sure if i make any sense but thanks in advance if you can help.
I believe I have used the incorrect wording. They are only one IDE channel. The HD is a Master while the DVD is the slave of that same IDE channel.

So they only have one IDE channel. My miswording of using primary and secondary is incorrect.
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post #15 of 56
5/25/05 at 6:41pm
I believe Rick from IST mentioned that in the Z70 this problem was correct... but how? According to the diagram (thanks smile), there is only one IDE channel so it can't be fixed...
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post #16 of 56
5/25/05 at 7:35pm
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acording to the diagram the chipset has two SATA, that means you could even run a SATA DVD burner, and a SATA HDD on their own channels What we don't know though if the Z71v is even taking advantage of the sata ports. Chipset may be compatible with it...but that does not mean asuses mobo is.

on my SATA desktop (cant look on laptop its a way for repairs) i have a place in device manager called SCSI and Raid controllers (windows considers a SATA controller a scsi controller) and under there my SATA controller chip is listed. Do you guys have this?
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post #17 of 56
5/25/05 at 7:48pm
Nope, all I have is the IDE controllers... no mention of SATA anywhere.
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post #18 of 56
5/25/05 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by chelnov80
Ok I don't know much about this stuff and I'm as confused as anybody else but i'd like to believe that my drives are on separate channels...I went into nero info tools and found this out:


Also, the location for my HDD and DVD are 0(0) and 1(1) in device manager
Please let me know if i'm mistaken about this.


Does that really mean the two drives are on different channel? Is nero info tools reliable enough find this out? What's the most decisive way I can find out the drives are really on separate channels and that getting a SATA drive was really worth it? Any suggesstion would be helpful.
After carefully looking at your picture again, I would like to correct myself. You do have two individual channel. Your HD is SATA on a Primary Channel as a Master,

However your DVD is on the SECONDARY channel as a slave. Which is fine. You should switch your DVD to a SECONDARY channel master with a few jumper setting on the DVD drive.

So i believe at least this have concluded something, I does mean SATA is on a different channel than the HD, thus no problem when us SATA!!!

YAH!
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post #19 of 56
5/25/05 at 8:08pm
Ok, now my second question know that a Sonoma are under this same rule ...

What kinda performance loss are we talking about here?

If I get a 100gb 5400rpm seagate and a 8x dvd-rw on a Sonoma .. will it be like having a 4200rpm hd?

I dont care about the burning much either, just the overall system performance.

Thx ahead of time
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post #20 of 56
5/25/05 at 9:04pm
nono, the hard drive performance stays the same. It's just the burning speeds are decreased.
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