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post #1 of 41
5/28/05 at 4:06pm
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I know nothing about pentium M processors.
Can someone explain how a 2.0 ghz M can compete with a 3.6 HT?
or a 64 bit?
Thanks
P.s. looking to get a laptop mainly AW Sager or asus... but then i read all this about the dell xps and how it is the only one with p-m's and top of the line graphics cards...
so is it true that p-ms > other processors?

thanks
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post #2 of 41
5/28/05 at 4:51pm
This article may be of help:

http://reviews.cnet.com/Notebooks/20...html?tag=glnav

I too struggled with the decision of which processor to pick; however, in the end I found that the P-M was the best option for my mobile needs. If you are going to be plugged in all the time, then I would look at trying to find something with 64 bit capatability. This may serve your needs for a longer period of time.

That being said the XPS 2 is currently one of the best gaming laptops on the market. This machine works great on all the current games and should have a decent life cycle. The temperature of the machine never gets too hot and the battery life is around two hours. Only downside to this machine is that people have been having problems with their screens. Tough decision, but you can't go wrong with the XPS.
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post #3 of 41
5/28/05 at 6:18pm
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i don't get why everyone is so XPS crazy i mean... rn't the chips in there specifically mobile chips?
Wouldn't a 3.6 ht crush a 2.0 M

i mean a 7700 would blow away a xps?

So i mean everyone is all crazy about the xps but they arn't the fastest are they?
idk on to reading your article
thnx
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post #4 of 41
5/28/05 at 6:24pm
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Originally Posted by Ouchemoma
i don't get why everyone is so XPS crazy i mean... rn't the chips in there specifically mobile chips?
Wouldn't a 3.6 ht crush a 2.0 M

i mean a 7700 would blow away a xps?

So i mean everyone is all crazy about the xps but they arn't the fastest are they?
idk on to reading your article
thnx
No, on benchmarks, P-Ms more than hold their own with much faster P-4's. Even with the HT enabled, which P-M's don't have. General consensus is that a P-M is about equivalent to a P-4 of 1.5 x the P-m's clock speed. So, a P-M 2.0 is about equivalent to a 3.0 GHz P-4

Additionally, the GeForce Go 6800 Ultra on the XPS2 is comparable to the fastest desktop grpahics cards right now. Not SLI, of course, but single chip solutions. It's pretty damn quick, that is for sure.

Now, if you really want fast graphics, you do have to go to a desktop SLI solution, with two top end graphics cards. That would be fast. On the other hand, there is talk about a mobile SLI solution coming soon. I can't imagine what the battery life on that would be, even if the processor is a P-M

Dave
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post #5 of 41
5/28/05 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by Ouchemoma
i don't get why everyone is so XPS crazy i mean... rn't the chips in there specifically mobile chips?
Wouldn't a 3.6 ht crush a 2.0 M

i mean a 7700 would blow away a xps?

So i mean everyone is all crazy about the xps but they arn't the fastest are they?
idk on to reading your article
thnx
The XPS would definetly run circles around the 7700.
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post #6 of 41
5/28/05 at 6:32pm
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http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...=iXPS2S1&s=dhs

that shows the fastest one on the xps is a 2.13... and if a 2.0 is just a 3.0 p4 regular...
then a 2.13 defiently is slower then a 3.8 HT
So i don't see how everyone goes on ranting
i mean so what that it "consumes less energy"
When i play games, which is what you most likely would use the xps for, you always are usually sitting down with a desktop setup with a mouse and reg keyboard
So power wouldn't be an issue cause u'd be plugged into the wall
So i don't get it
If someone has an Explanation i'd be much obliged to listen
Thanks

Edit:I mean and it isn't all that cheaper even with the 750 dollars off i priced one out *be slower then an AW i was looking at* and it came out to around 3,700 dollars. And an AW of comporable status would be around 3,000 but that would include alienrespawn alien autospy SUPERB CASE SUPERB BUILDING and supberb technical support.
Not to put down dell cause my laptop now is dell and both my other 2 desktops are dell. And the only problem I've had is with my one desktop harddrive which I've had to replace 2 times and was covered under my insurance plan.
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post #7 of 41
5/28/05 at 6:33pm
I have the same question also. I heard the 2ghz pm was equiv to a 3.6ht p4 in SOME areas. Im not sure what these areas were because they were too general. If you search, Ive asked this question but havent really gotten a straight answer. Id also like to know what people think.

-jcll2002
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post #8 of 41
5/28/05 at 6:47pm
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Yea.. thats what i'm trying to get at... Everyone always says "PMG 175 50 GEWD! joo have to get it man!!!one!1!!"
but not that many people say exactly why... All i've heard is that it uses less power to run it...
and i mean... i'm A POWERHOUSE so that should be no problem
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post #9 of 41
5/28/05 at 6:49pm
Read the article that I posted above.

People that purchase the XPS 2 are truly seeking a notebook. Something they can take to school, work, Starbucks, or whatever. With the XPS 2 you don't have to worry about battery life or heat issues. In addition, if you run a 3DMark05 bench you will find that the XPS 2 can get a score in the low 5K. That's damn good in comparison to AW and other Clevo based systems. I can't break down the comparison between P M and P 4, but I can tell you that I am more than happy with the performance of my machine.

If you know you are going to be plugged in all the time why not get a desktop? More bang for your buck and better cooling for your systems. I can't imagine the heat and low battery life associated with the P 4 + Ultra setup.
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post #10 of 41
5/28/05 at 8:01pm
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So then you agree that the statment made about the xps running circles.... is false? cause it obviously does not... So why are you buying such a powerful comp to go to shool and starbucks with...
ITS A GAMING COMPUTER not a STARBUCKS COMPUTER. You want the most powerful computer... not the semi-most powerful computer
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post #11 of 41
5/28/05 at 9:30pm
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Originally Posted by Ouchemoma
So then you agree that the statment made about the xps running circles.... is false? cause it obviously does not... So why are you buying such a powerful comp to go to shool and starbucks with...
ITS A GAMING COMPUTER not a STARBUCKS COMPUTER. You want the most powerful computer... not the semi-most powerful computer
No, the XPS can handle it's own against any current Clevo based systesm.

For me I was looking for the right balance between mobility and performance. I wanted the best of both worlds and the XPS was the perfect choice for me...

and the beautiful thing is I can game at Starbucks if I ever wanted to.
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post #12 of 41
5/28/05 at 9:56pm
Well, it does run circles around other laptops. Not because of the P-M, but because of the 6800 Ultra. The P-M at 2.13 is, like I said earlier, roughly equivalent to about a 3.4 GHz P-4. But the processor matters less for 3d games than the video chip does, and even though a Clevo based laptop might have P4 at 3.8 GHz, if it has anything less than a 6800 Ultra, it will get beat by an XPS2. Now you can buy a Clevo laptops with the 6800 Ultras, and if you get the top of the lines P4, you will run games slightly faster (and only slightly) than an XPS2 with a 2.13 P-M. But, your cooling fans will be running often, and the loudest laptop is much louder than the loudest desktop because of lack of insulation. My Sager 4780 (Clevo based) has a 3.4 GHz P4 and it is very loud when the fan spools up. Additionaly the battery life is terrible. My XPS2 is much cooler, quieter, and faster.


The P-M is not the uber-end-all-be-all of processors, but it is pretty damn good.

Dave
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post #13 of 41
5/28/05 at 10:09pm
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personally noise didn't bother me much because when I'm using the the processor and graphics cards at the highest... i'd be wearing a headset

But what angers is me is that the Sager has to be such a good deal...compared to the AW cause the alienware just looks so god damn sexy...
What to do...
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post #14 of 41
5/28/05 at 10:14pm
It run circles around the P4 laptops because it will still be running well after the P4-based solutions have ran out off power.
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post #15 of 41
5/28/05 at 10:16pm
Good point. Remind me to give you rep for that. Im out right now.
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post #16 of 41
5/28/05 at 10:21pm
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but while the p4 has its power... it will just beat the p-m...
ur that kid... who always wanted to be the turtle weren't u...
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post #17 of 41
5/28/05 at 10:41pm
While it has the power? If you're going to be plugged in to mains then I would suggest getting a shuttle that's upgradable. If you want portability and a laptop that will run for more than an hour, get a P-M based system. If you want something with a bit more computing-power that uses a lot more electrical-power, get a P4.
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post #18 of 41
5/28/05 at 10:52pm
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So your saying a p4 system only has an hour of battery life?
Most places also have a power hook up
*i saw a guy at the airport find a powerhook up on the wall next to the gate*
extra-battery maybe?
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post #19 of 41
5/28/05 at 11:05pm
I don't know how much battery life they have, considering different ones have differing times. But, you can bet the battery life of a P4 laptop will be significantly less than that of a PM laptop.

You could always get an extra battery, but isn't the reason to own a laptop to have a portable computing device? Weight is normally of concern when deciding on a laptop.
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post #20 of 41
5/28/05 at 11:08pm
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ITS A FRIGGEN GAMING LAPTOP
if u want a portable one go for something else lol
p4=more powerful
ITS DESKTOP REPLACEMENT
yes if u need that extra hour of time where you won't be able to find a power plug because you are in the middle of a costa rican rain forest then yes pm
But if your going to be using the machien to its fullest... your going to be online... gaming most likely unless your doing single player... but you would game on a hardline because wirless makes it slower and if your plug into the internet why not plug into the power jack to?
I mean I get what your saying but i don't think it bears as much relavancy on the extra power u get form a p4
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