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post #21 of 41
5/28/05 at 11:35pm
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Originally Posted by Ouchemoma
So then you agree that the statment made about the xps running circles.... is false? cause it obviously does not... So why are you buying such a powerful comp to go to shool and starbucks with...
ITS A GAMING COMPUTER not a STARBUCKS COMPUTER. You want the most powerful computer... not the semi-most powerful computer
XPS is powerful in games because of its GPU for the most part. The CPU PM 770, while highly respectable, probably does not stack up to a 3.8 P4 or A64 3700+. In certain applications, the PM will come pretty close, such as business apps (winstone and the like), where ALU (integer) are important.

But the PM inherits the same FPU (float) and BPU (branch prediction) from the earlier P6 architecture (used in Pentium-III), and hence will not do nearly as well in scientific apps and gaming as a comparable A64, provided the GPU is the same; nor will it come even close to a P4 with HT on encoding, editing and such. The PM is very good at certain areas, but won't even do as well as similarly clocked A64 in certain applications ( such as an A64 3200+ VS PM 770).

I guess it all depends on what kind of applications you run the most. Read lots of reviews, but don't take any review from sites such as GamePC or TomsHardware seriously, which are in the back pocket of intel, and usually come out with reviews full of bull sh*t.
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post #22 of 41
5/28/05 at 11:37pm
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Nice info thanks
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post #23 of 41
5/28/05 at 11:43pm
Here's why I have a XPS2

I game, and Ilike my games to be full color, full graphics, high FPS.

I am in the Marines, and I move around a lot, including back and forth to Iraq multiple times. An XPS2 is a hell of a lot more portable than a small form factor PC, a keyboard, and an LCD monitor. I can take my XPS2 (and previously, my Sager 4780) just about anywhere, whereas I could not do that with any desktop, including SFF.

I've gamed in a former palace of Saddam's, I've gamed in a tent in Kuwait, I've gamed on a ship in the middle of the Persian Gulf, I've gamed off the shore of North Korea, I've gamed in Bosnia (though not with either of those laptops) and I've gamed at 20,000 feet in the back of a C-5.

A P-M chip laptop with a good GPU is exactly what I need. Good gaming power plugged, unplugged, and everywhere in-between. My XPS2 is about to head back to Iraq with me, and I will game there.

Pick whatever laptop you want, but remember, there will be times when you want to use it unplugged, and there are going to be times when you want the maximum frame rates possible. I suggest an XPS2 for that.

Dave
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post #24 of 41
5/28/05 at 11:53pm
Gamed in a former palace of Saddam, man it doesn't get any better than that.

Grats.
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post #25 of 41
5/28/05 at 11:57pm
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Originally Posted by Ouchemoma
i don't get why everyone is so XPS crazy i mean... rn't the chips in there specifically mobile chips?
Wouldn't a 3.6 ht crush a 2.0 M

i mean a 7700 would blow away a xps?

So i mean everyone is all crazy about the xps but they arn't the fastest are they?
idk on to reading your article
thnx
XPS2 bitchslaps the 7700 and has made it his own personal sex slave
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post #26 of 41
5/29/05 at 12:03am
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Originally Posted by MichaelX30
XPS2 bitchslaps the 7700 and has made it his own personal sex slave
BITCHSLAPS

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post #27 of 41
5/29/05 at 12:13am
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Originally Posted by Ouchemoma
So then you agree that the statment made about the xps running circles.... is false? cause it obviously does not... So why are you buying such a powerful comp to go to shool and starbucks with...
ITS A GAMING COMPUTER not a STARBUCKS COMPUTER. You want the most powerful computer... not the semi-most powerful computer
Because with the XPS2 you can have the most powerful notebook out, and still take it to starbucks an school, yes it is more of an inconvience to carry around than the Alienware Sentia, but it is able to perform better than the Alienware 7700 with a weight ~33% less... simple as that end of story period
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post #28 of 41
5/29/05 at 12:01pm
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The sager 9880 is more power so its not the most powerful...
And I dont know you guys but I think it'd be pretty hard using a laptop to play cs:s without a mouse and evena regular keyboard. And If your going to have all that set up... your gonna have a power connection somehwhere.

I personally wouldn't be able to play with that little mouse pad on a laptop. But maybe you all enjoy that.
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post #29 of 41
5/29/05 at 12:14pm
It's not hard to use the WASD key layout for CS:S on the laptop keyboard and a USB lazer mouse (which gets its power from the laptop).
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post #30 of 41
5/29/05 at 12:16pm
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And are you on wireless internet at the time?
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post #31 of 41
5/29/05 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by Ouchemoma
The sager 9880 is more power so its not the most powerful...
And I dont know you guys but I think it'd be pretty hard using a laptop to play cs:s without a mouse and evena regular keyboard. And If your going to have all that set up... your gonna have a power connection somehwhere.

I personally wouldn't be able to play with that little mouse pad on a laptop. But maybe you all enjoy that.
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/200..._the_pentium_4

P M > P 4 for mobile

End of story.
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post #32 of 41
5/29/05 at 6:56pm
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How does that change anything the p-4 is faster? lol
I mean I am looking at an xps for myself just cause of the price.
Thats the only reason i would go for i mean i could save almost 700 dollars getting the xps which i think is the point all xps buyers should be looking at.
Dell is large company that can make its product cheaper then anyone else.

the xps is lacking the raid set up, and singularity and procesor.

but for 700 dollars cheaper who really cares? I wouldn't buy it from dell though if you browse ebay a little seems like u could get a nice set up for around 2 grand. With that extra money i can put it towards the next computer which i would go with a AW 7700 for the looks of course.
Its like buying a car? How many people would want a Hummer. It has horrible gas mileage but would still be pretty nice. But it will cost more.

If you think about buying a computer the way you would buy a car then your gonna get what you really want from it.
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post #33 of 41
5/29/05 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by Ouchemoma
How does that change anything the p-4 is faster? lol
I mean I am looking at an xps for myself just cause of the price.
Thats the only reason i would go for i mean i could save almost 700 dollars getting the xps which i think is the point all xps buyers should be looking at.
Dell is large company that can make its product cheaper then anyone else.

the xps is lacking the raid set up, and singularity and procesor.

but for 700 dollars cheaper who really cares? I wouldn't buy it from dell though if you browse ebay a little seems like u could get a nice set up for around 2 grand. With that extra money i can put it towards the next computer which i would go with a AW 7700 for the looks of course.
Its like buying a car? How many people would want a Hummer. It has horrible gas mileage but would still be pretty nice. But it will cost more.

If you think about buying a computer the way you would buy a car then your gonna get what you really want from it.
Buy a desktop then.
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post #34 of 41
5/29/05 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by DJB503
P M > P 4 for mobile

End of story.
Actually, not just for mobiles ! These tests were performed in desktop motherboards, against desktop processors !

And although the top processor is generally a PM overclocked to 2.5 GHz, even a standard clocked Dothan regularly beats all except the EE P4s.

A good article on architecture of the PM (originally written for Banias, the predecessor to Dothan) is at: http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1800

While I am presently typing this on a P4 desktop, I figure any near future purchases I make will either be PM or Athlon64. (Obviously, longer term is hard to know . . . )
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post #35 of 41
5/29/05 at 7:09pm
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I see what your saying but the xps, 7700, and sager 9880 are ment for desktop replacement. Unless your really rich you most likely wouldn't have 2 gaming computers. The reason youd get a laptop is so you could transport it. Its hard to transfer a monitor even if it is a flat screen,*on the plane etc* The size doesn't bother me as much cause you can just buy a really nice case or backpack but there difiently is somethign to be said if you could get everything in a very small laptop.

p-m's and 64's are the future... but the future is the future.

I don't wanna buy a dell and i don't care for a p-m chip. But 1,000 less speaks novels to me.
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post #36 of 41
5/29/05 at 7:16pm
get over it... I mean you don't want a PM? you are THAT much sold to P4? then get a p4 if you seek desktop replacement with very short battery life.

PMs are for people that seeks mobility and extra battery power. Like it's been said, you get 2 hours of battery life on the xps2 with PM and with a 7700/9880 you won't get anything over 45 minutes doing nothing at all. If you plan to be always plugued and don'T use the portability aspect of your laptop, then get a P4 EE HT (or plain P4 HT if you have money issues).

People are trying to answer questions over questions when you already have your mind set up since the beggining. You want a P4, you need a P4, put PM aways and buy a god damn P4!
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post #37 of 41
5/29/05 at 8:15pm
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At this clock speed, our two year old platform was able to beat the processor heavyweights Athlon 64 FX and Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition in all 3D games!

So, uh, tell me again why the P-4 is better? Hyper Threading? No games nowadays show any significant benefit whatsoever from HT or dual core technology.

But if you are convinced that a P-4 is better, as Tar-Minyatur said, get over it, get the P-4 and stop wasting time.

Dave
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post #38 of 41
5/29/05 at 8:33pm
In defense of Ouchemoma, if PMs are really that hot, then why doesn't Intel market them as the top of the line desktop processor ?

Well, of course, we know the answer to that: Intel made a boo-boo seven or so years ago in the design of the P4, and now have to make the best of what they have. They didn't know that leakage currents would limit the speed of the P4 (and probably all CPUs, including the PM--at least until a switch is made to Silicon-On-Insulator) to 4 GHz or less.

We really are at a unique moment--where notebooks stand a decent chance of smoking desktops.
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post #39 of 41
5/29/05 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by anthean
In defense of Ouchemoma, if PMs are really that hot, then why doesn't Intel market them as the top of the line desktop processor ?

Well, of course, we know the answer to that: Intel made a boo-boo seven or so years ago in the design of the P4, and now have to make the best of what they have. They didn't know that leakage currents would limit the speed of the P4 (and probably all CPUs, including the PM--at least until a switch is made to Silicon-On-Insulator) to 4 GHz or less.

We really are at a unique moment--where notebooks stand a decent chance of smoking desktops.
Right, PM has its advantages. But it also has low FSB frequency, high memory latency, poor float calculation and a host of other problems that make it unsuitable for a top of the line processor, plus the fact that it is simply much more expensive than comparable desktop parts.
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post #40 of 41
5/29/05 at 9:10pm
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what hard ball said:O

Well if my mind is so set... and someone convinces me other wise... then i'm gonna end up with a better pc?

I am looking at the xps as we talk... But thats cause its so friggen inexpensive
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