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What would you do (choosing the right notebook)?

post #1 of 10
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I'm a student in a university. I need a notebook but not sure which notebook to buy. First of all, I really need a mobile computer because while the computer would be lying on my desk 95% of the time, every now and again I would move from apartment to apartment (plus I do not have much space). I would use the notebook for typing, surfing the net, editing digital pictures and editing and mixing music. I wouldn't be watching too many DVDs. Of course, I would play games but only 2-4 hours per week. I love Half-Life 2 so that would probably be my only game for a long time. Bare in mind that while I'd play rarely I want HL2 for example to run at moderately high resolution with some effects on. The notebook has to be widescreen (preferably 15,4") and has to contain preferably Centrino technology with Ati graphics.

Then there's the matter of 'futureproof'. I know that PC technology goes on rapidly and what you buy today can be obsolete under a year. However, I'm not going to buy a new notebook for four maybe five years, so I need the notebook I buy to be at least high-end at the time that it is bought. By the way, the notebook would be my only computer (and I do not want to play video games such as XBOX, PS3 or Nintendo Revolution). However, my maximum budget is 2600 dollars (although if push comes to shove, I guess I could stetch to 3000 dollars). The preferable buying time of this notebook would be 3 months from now.

My options:

Acer TravelMate 8104: This seems to be a nice notebook. It's not a desktop replacement notebook but it's pretty powerful and can run HL2 silky smooth (although not with 4xAA). Doom3 (which I won't probably be playing) runs poorer. The notebook looks cool and has a lot of cool features although the placement of USB-slots and such isn't perfect. All in all, I think this notebook would suit me better than good, but I'm afraid that it's not exactly 'futureproof'.

Dell I9300 or Alienware Area-51m 7700: Both of these notebooks are really good gaming rigs, especially Alienware. The problem is that they are both extra bulky and extra expensive, again especially Alienware. Unfortunately I happen to live in a country that prices both of these notebooks just over 3000 dollars. Sure they run even Doom3 brilliant and sure they are quite futureproof, but the performance compromises the size, the price and the battery life. To be honest with you, I wouldn't necessarily want buy either one of these.

Wait 8-12 months for new technologies: This is an option, but I really would need a notebook before next fall, mainly because my university starts again. On the other hand, technologies such as dual-core mobile CPUs and 64bit CPUs are coming and I'm sure that Ati has some new tricks up to its sleeve by then (BTW, I'm an Intel and Ati -man. While I might buy nVIDIA also, I won't buy AMD, don't ask my why). With these inside the hood of a notebook, I could play HL2 with everything on the max. Sadly, I'd have to wait a year (I now have to lend my parents' computer which sucks) and also, as is the case with Ati Mobility Radeon X800, the really cool components are only available in speciality notebooks such as Alienware or VoodooPC (which is not available where I'm from). However, I'd prefer this option more than buying for example Alienware.

The final option is the unknown. Have I overlooked something?

Help me out!
post #2 of 10
whatever you do, don't get a voodoo... those things like cast spells on you and stuff... not good they are some of the most over priced things i've ever seen...

Everyone is gonna tell you the xps...
just a heads up
post #3 of 10
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Well first of all, Dell XPS Gen2 (as well as VoodooPC) is not available where I'm from. Moreover, I don't really like the appearance of XPS, so no thank you. But seriously, which one of my options would you pick? The Acer-option is the most tempting one to me, but again TM8104 and 'futureproof' are not exactly a pair.
post #4 of 10
Get the Acer
post #5 of 10
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Originally Posted by JohnBurrows
Well first of all, Dell XPS Gen2 (as well as VoodooPC) is not available where I'm from. Moreover, I don't really like the appearance of XPS, so no thank you. But seriously, which one of my options would you pick? The Acer-option is the most tempting one to me, but again TM8104 and 'futureproof' are not exactly a pair.
If you are from a country where HPs are cheap (like I am), have a look at HP Compaq nw8240. It is about the same specs as Acer TM8100 but it's HP quality. Everything about this notebook, its goods and bads, can be found in my review (see sig). I just played HL2 through with it and benchmarked the lappy with the CS:S video stress test.
post #6 of 10
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Originally Posted by Tommi
If you are from a country where HPs are cheap (like I am), have a look at HP Compaq nw8240. It is about the same specs as Acer TM8100 but it's HP quality. Everything about this notebook, its goods and bads, can be found in my review (see sig). I just played HL2 through with it and benchmarked the lappy with the CS:S video stress test.
Tommi, I know exactly what country you are talking about Ei musta HP:t kovin halpoja ole. Yeah, HP has some quality products but the model you are talking about has an Ati Mobility Fire GL T2 (128MB) graphics card which is hardly a gaming graphics card (it's more of a CAD card). Moreover, NW8240 seems really like IBM in that it's purely a business notebook. And I don't really like HP's all-black notebooks.

Well I will probably end up buying the Acer TM8104. BTW, do you if Acer has any new models coming out in the next three months that are similar to TM8100 but with only better specs. What about mobile dual-cores from Intel? Is it true that they arrive this time next year or maybe sooner. I would really hate to buy a notebook now and then find out that all new blazing fast models will be released in Christmas or sooner.
post #7 of 10
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Tommi, looks like I gave my comments too quickly. I read your HP NW8240 review and this notebook seems very powerful. I think it got a better score in 3DMARK05 than Acer TM8104. Wow. But I still have doubts about the graphics card since it is more for graphic designers than gamers. Does it run HL2 better (with 2xAA) than Acer?
post #8 of 10
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This is my third post in a roll... Oh well. Thought I'd bring up some benchmarks:

3DMark05 (based on user comments):

Acer TravelMate 8104 (2GHz, 1GB, Ati Mobility Radeon X700 128MB) = 2270
HP NW8240 (2GHz, 1,5GB, Ati Mobility FireGL V5000 128MB) =2430
Dell Inspiron 9300 (1,6GHz, IGB, nVIDIA 6800GO 256MB)= 3922
Alienware Area-51m 7700 (P4 3,6GHz, 1GB, nVIDIA 6800GO 256MB): 3620

So I gathered these from different users. All of the notebooks are relatively new (at least I think so). The surprising thing is of course that Dell has a better score than Alienware has although I must say that if I bought Alienware notebook I would choose Ati Mobility Radeon X800 over the nVIDIA option.

I think HP got a better score than Acer because HP has more RAM inside. HP's Ati Mobility FireGL V5000 is not really a graphics card for games, so I don't think it makes a ton of difference when compared to the X700. It's ironic, though, that I would be prefer Acer to have a little better performance, and it would be better if Acer hadn't decided to lower the specs of the X700 from DDR3 to DDR1 in order to prevent heat (and cost no douct).

Acer is the cheapest, 2300 dollars. HP costs 2500 dollars and Dell and Alienware cost pretty much the same, 2900-3100 dollars although Alienware would be a little more expensive because of shipping costs. (The price listed here are those that are available in my country).

It's a pity that I can't fine a test where all of these notebooks are tested on running HL2 with 1600x1200 resolution and 2xAA 4xAF on.

Please let me here more of your opinions. Read the opening post also and give my your opinion, what should I do?
post #9 of 10
The x700 never ran on DDR3 for notebooks. DDR1 is the standard for x700 cards. It's only when you get to the higher end cards (6800, X800) that DDR3 is used in laptops.

I think the FireGL in the HP is probably the CAD equivalent of the X700 based on the scores. It should also play games with similar frame rates, since ATI and nVidia CAD cards are just based off of the gaming card version. It is mainly a bios change that provides more accurate rendering for cad needs. The ram may make a little bit of a difference, but I would say 100 points would be the max due to the RAM. 3DMark tests are mainly GPU and CPU based (More so the GPU).
post #10 of 10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pyro_dragun
The x700 never ran on DDR3 for notebooks. DDR1 is the standard for x700 cards. It's only when you get to the higher end cards (6800, X800) that DDR3 is used in laptops.
I think you might be wrong. I've undestood that Ati Mobility Radeon X700 DOES use DDR3 memory, but Acer decided to lower it to DDR1. I read it from the review at firingsquad.com. You can also check out Ati's own info page on this card. It may be possible though that some (if not all) of the notebook-manufacturers have indeed opted to use DDR1 over DDR3.

Ati Mobility Radeon X700

So are you saying that performance-wise X700 and FireGL V5000 are about the same. V5000 might be a little faster, but my concern is that if it's not really a gaming GPU, has it got the same features as X700 has. What I mean is that can it create all the effects that X700 can.

Anyway, we're going a little OT here. How many of you think I should go with Acer? HP has become an option but let's face it: it's a business laptop with a CAD-graphics card. Is it suitable for me?
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