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ATI Radeon 200m 128MB Video Card

post #1 of 91
6/5/05 at 12:51am
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With some recent posts about the ATI 200M, I decided to try a games on my R4012US compaq with its new 1 GB ram memory upgrade to see how it does. I have the 200 M 128 mb radeon video card and I have a small review. Playing Ghost Recon with a 1200x800 x 32 resolution, and all game options on high. I was able to maintain a consistant 60 Frames Per Second. Now this is no match for my Nvidia 6800 Ultra, 150-250 FPS average. It is more than adequate for games above a medium level. I would rate it at the performance level of a Nvidia 5500 (Not the Ultras) or a radeon 9600-9700 easy. No one can complain about 60 FPS with resolution levels set on high. Turning off vertical sync would raise it (FPS) even higher. Friends have the 6600 GT nvidia and can hardly break 80 FPS, with an AMD athlon 3000.

To check your video card FPS go to www.fraps.com and download the FREE program. Post your results here to compare other video card results.
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post #2 of 91
6/7/05 at 12:31pm
Nice... Maybe i will get a zv6000 if there is ever a P4/PM version... right now its just AMD i think...
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post #3 of 91
6/7/05 at 12:38pm
what's wrong with AMD? I understand if you want a PM version, but P4? AMD's would run cooler, have better battery life, and be cheaper than P4's. Now, if you need the HT or something, i guess, but being able to do 2 things at once at a decent speed doesnt really help if you run out of battery before either finishes ;-)
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post #4 of 91
6/7/05 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by unfalliblekrutc
what's wrong with AMD? I understand if you want a PM version, but P4? AMD's would run cooler, have better battery life, and be cheaper than P4's. Now, if you need the HT or something, i guess, but being able to do 2 things at once at a decent speed doesnt really help if you run out of battery before either finishes ;-)
Well, I do need the HT, If possible... Also I just dont like AMD much... I think i became that way because I've meet a lot of people that work for intel locally that host LAN partys... & also the AMD fanboys have pissed me off too many times flaming me for using an Intel processor...

As far as money, I dont really care as long as it does what i need... Heat/Battery life, dont really care because i use my laptop in ultra cool rooms so my fans turn off & the battery lasts over 2 hours... & I plug my laptop in most of the time anyways, But if i really need to be mobile, I have 2 extra batterys + an APC battery that plugs into my laptop...
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post #5 of 91
6/7/05 at 1:53pm
so you actually use a lot of apps that are optimized for HT?

I think once WindowsXP 64 is in full effect, these Athlon64 units are going to make any HT chips moot.....plus AMD has dual core chips now that absolutely decimate Intel dual core counterparts.
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post #6 of 91
6/7/05 at 2:36pm
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Originally Posted by inteller
so you actually use a lot of apps that are optimized for HT?

I think once WindowsXP 64 is in full effect, these Athlon64 units are going to make any HT chips moot.....plus AMD has dual core chips now that absolutely decimate Intel dual core counterparts.
Yes i do use a lot of applications that are optimized for HT/64-bit/Dual Core CPU's... & From what i have seen my applications perform better with HT v.s. DC... so... & All my applications ran crappy on a AMD64 3500+ laptop, with the exact same specs as my laptop (see sig)... Heck I have 1 program that the developer told me last year that, if i didnt have a 3.0Ghz CPU w/HT the program would run so slow it would be hard to work in...

On the WinXP64 thing, i agree... I only hope the P4 6xx's catch on more... But the AMD's will beat them down in most tasks...

However, I think the next gen Dual Core CPU's from intel will kick ass... I'm thinking they will be out in 07 - 08.... (I hope)... Maybe sooner...
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post #7 of 91
6/7/05 at 3:12pm
Some official news guys,

I had mailed ati

the reply was

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The Radeon Xpress 200M is designed to run ALL modern games and applications so the Compaq R4000z would be a good choice. I cannot speak to why people are saying there is no performance increase.

Kind regards,


again a few days later I mailed them and the reply was


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The Acer Ferrari is based on the Radeon Xpress 200P which means it does not have integrated graphics on the chipset and instead has the Mobility Radeon X700 GPU.

The Compaq R4000 uses the Radeon Xpress 200 chipset with integrated graphics based on the Mobility Radeon X300 GPU core.

Notebooks are not like desktop PCs where you can change the graphics card and one of the reasons is because the design of notebooks varies broadly from vendor to vendor.

Kind regards,



THis shows that the card is good enough and is flexible.I wont say it is weak.Its potential can be increased a lot (not in high amounts certainly)
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post #8 of 91
6/7/05 at 3:28pm
devarshi84, good idea to e-mail them... At-least we don't have to speculate anymore...
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post #9 of 91
6/7/05 at 3:43pm
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As I said it runs the games I have great. Havn't tryed doom 3 yet, as this laptop wasn't bought for gaming. Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 runs fine, Simcity 3000, deer hunter 5, ghost recon. Tiger Woods 2004 all run fine with No lag. I have limited it to older games that I can take the cd's with me and not need them at the desk top gamer. I would rate it at higher then medium gaming card performance easy and for the price its a bargain.
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post #10 of 91
6/7/05 at 7:32pm
That means with proper tweaks and overclocks the Fps which show 60 now can be improved to 80-100. THis means the card doesnt suck but is a middle of the road performer.Now lets see someone handle this game at 256mb instead of standard 128mb.
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post #11 of 91
6/7/05 at 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by Teckng778
Yes i do use a lot of applications that are optimized for HT/64-bit/Dual Core CPU's... & From what i have seen my applications perform better with HT v.s. DC... so... & All my applications ran crappy on a AMD64 3500+ laptop, with the exact same specs as my laptop (see sig)... Heck I have 1 program that the developer told me last year that, if i didnt have a 3.0Ghz CPU w/HT the program would run so slow it would be hard to work in...

On the WinXP64 thing, i agree... I only hope the P4 6xx's catch on more... But the AMD's will beat them down in most tasks...

However, I think the next gen Dual Core CPU's from intel will kick ass... I'm thinking they will be out in 07 - 08.... (I hope)... Maybe sooner...

you are starting to sound more and more like those fanboys that you despise.
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post #12 of 91
6/7/05 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by inteller
you are starting to sound more and more like those fanboys that you despise.
Crap your right...

Well atleast I'm not bragging about an AMD 1.0Ghz T-bird thats faster than a P4 3.0Ghz CPU...
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post #13 of 91
6/7/05 at 8:40pm
I'm not either, because Mhz ratings became meaningless a long time ago.
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post #14 of 91
6/7/05 at 11:22pm
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You know AMD has there own version of a hyper threading, can't recall what they call it though. Don't get me wrong I love my P4 3.4, but my next build will be an AMD gamer, FX-55 4???. Also I READ today that the ATI 200M has a 350 MHZ core which is up there, and being PCI this might do more (Gaming) than we think or that I've tryed. Might have to put doom 3 on here to check it out. Only down fall is the need for a mouse and maybe a gaming pad to play it well, for me anyway. Just for numbers The PC 6800 ultra has a 425 mhz core. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?
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post #15 of 91
6/7/05 at 11:35pm
AMD has Hypertransport... But from what I've seen, for my Apps it doesnt work as well...
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post #16 of 91
6/7/05 at 11:55pm
Hypertransport & Hyperthreading might sound similar, but they are not related to each other at all. Hypertransport acts much like the front side bus(fsb) on older AMD & all Intel chips. AMD HTT's run at either 1600/2000MHz whereas Intels FSB range from 400/533/800/1066MHz...

Hypertransport increases performance by removing the I/O battleneck, increasing bandwidth & reducing latency. Hyperthreading is about the use of multiple threads at once. Both increase performance. But a combination of hypertransport & hyperthreading is perfect.

AMD does not have hyperthreading but with the new dual core versions, the 2 cores can run multiple threads at once. This is comparable as some P-D's have hyperthreading disabled(except for the EE which can run 4 threads at once

More Info on both technologies...
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...2_2353,00.html
http://www.intel.com/technology/hyperthread/
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post #17 of 91
6/8/05 at 12:09am
Hypermemory isnt the same as Hypertransport is it?
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post #18 of 91
6/8/05 at 12:20am
Yes, thats why AMD doesnt work better with my apps...

Thx for the links though...
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post #19 of 91
6/8/05 at 1:04am
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Originally Posted by inteller
Hypermemory isnt the same as Hypertransport is it?
No, Hypermemory is the use of system RAM by a graphics card in addition to its own dedicated memory. Ati calls this Hyper memory & Nvidia calls it Turbo cache. Mostly lower end cards have these extended memory technologies. Their use for performance is suspect but they make sense in value based systems which would have normally run on integrated memory, but now can make use of better graphics card cores associated with these but at a lower price than the full fledged versions.

Anandtech has all the info you need about hypermemoryturbo cache...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2413
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post #20 of 91
6/8/05 at 10:00am
i see, so Hypermemory is just the ability to use some on board memory along with some system memory....

I also noticed ATi Xpress 200M supports something called SUrroundview which said you can use an "external ATi graphics card"

that sounds pretty cool since we have an ExpressCard54 slot. maybe ATI will release a graphics upgrade card?
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