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DTR Shootout: Acer TravelMate 8104 vs. Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo M4438

post #1 of 12
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I'm looking for a 'desktop replacement' type notebook that would be my only computer. I type, surf the net, mix and edit music (rookie level), edit pics (rookie level), play games and maybe sometimes watch DVDs. I wouldn't take the notebook with me when I travel (except to take it to from my home to my dorm room) and it would probably spend 95% of the time resting on my desk.

I thought for sure I was going to buy Acer TravelMate 8104 because it has good specs (I prefer Ati) and it apparently runs Half-Life 2 (the game I will be playing the most) pretty good. However, now I have heard that Fujitsu-Siemens, a manufacturer that I have never really thought of as high quality, will be releasing notebooks with DTR-abilities. I'm especially interested in this M4438 model. So let's take a look:

Acer TravelMate 8100

F-S Amilo M4438 #1

F-S Amilo M4438 #2

Specs:
Well both of these notebooks have 2GHz Pentium-M CPUs (M4438 might be 2,13GHz) and both of them have 1GB of DDR2 RAM. I think M4438 has got a bigger hard-drive though. M4438 has a bigger screen (17" 1920x1200 resolution) compared to Acer (15,4" 1680x1050). The big thing however is the GPUs: Acer has got a good Ati Mobility Radeon X700 128MB GPU while F-S has got a blazing nVIDIA 6800GO 256MB. By the way, I've heard that both of these GPUs use a slower DDR1 memory although the original GPUs do support DDR3 (at least Ati).

Style, design and keyboard:
I like the design of both since silver/grey is the trend in all entertainment devices. However, Acer looks a bit sharper than F-S. Both have little flaws like placement of different slots (when will they learn not to put USB slots where the mouse will be). I think both are made of plastic so there's no higher-end aluminum cases. The keyboards on both look avarage altough I must congratulate F-S for putting that mouse scroll switch just above the mouse scroll. I actually use MS Natural keyboard with my ancient desktop, so I have no problems with Acer's curvy design. Some people say that Acer always makes their keyboards tight and F-S uses the space probably so their keyboards are good for people with big hands. Unfortunately, both of these notebooks' keyboards are not the same level as IBM or HP.

Performance and longetivity:
As I'm not going to buy another computer until 2010, I need a notebook with longetivity. Now I know I can't play the newest games in 2008 with everything turned to max even with a 5000-dollar notebook, but still I need some sort of 'futureproof' notebook. Certainly M4438 offers more of that because, let's face it, nVIDIA offers more longetivity in mobile GPUs than Ati, although I think Ati has better image quality and has more features.

Size and price:
I actually would prefer a 15,4" notebook because 17-inchers do take a lot of space. Still, M4438 does not look like a monster and I do appreciate the larger screen. Both of these notebooks have a pretty low price, and in fact I think that they will have the same price tag. Some people say that M4438 will cost over 2500 dollars but I seriously doubt it because the lower model, M3438 costs under 2000 dollars.

Warranty and program package:
M4438 has a 2-year warranty and Acer has only 1-year. Acer does not offer any programs (well some) but it does offer that great IBM-type notebook manager from where you can tune your notebook. M4438 does not feature this that I know of, but it does feature some great programs such as Adobe Photoshop Elements 3.0 which I will find really useful.

Quality and concerns:
Both of these manufacturers have kinda bad reps when it comes to quality. Especially Acer is notorious with its quality that varies drastically. You might say that every fourth or fifth Acer seems to have problems, and some people say that it is highly likely that you have to take your Acer to the repairs the very day you buy it. Still, many people do appreciate Acer-quality and it seems that all the problems will come (if they come) in the first year of using an Acer. F-S on the other hans is a mixed manufacturer. I have always thought that it sold kinda cheap notebooks that look good on paper but are less than avarage in real life. Apparently some people are now telling me that F-S sells really high quality so I'm not sure what to believe. One of my concerns fot both of these notebooks is dead pixels. I don't want a single dead pixel on my screen but apparently I can't get a new notebook if I have fewer than 6 or 7 dead pixels. Some people, however, seem to get a new notebook because they had only one dead pixel. Weid!

Bottom line:
While I do think that Acer has more quality and while I do prefer Ati over nVIDIA, F-S M4438 does have my attention. It offer better longetivity and bigger screen (although the added size is a slight drawback). Both are in the same price range, so the choice will be a matter of taste and performance.

I recently contacted F-S and they said that the lower models such as M3438 is in stores already. They did not know much about M4438. Some have said that it will released in Q3 which means within a couple of months. I do have one concern. Somebody told me that the only difference between M3438 and M4438 is the resolution of the screen. Yet the model sold in my country, M3438, has only CPU choices of 1,73GHz or 1,86GHz. I really need the 2GHz so hopefully M4438 has that option.

What do you think? Which one should I choose?
post #2 of 12
It makes sense that the M3438 is preconfigured for lower-end needs while the M4438 will be configured for higher-end needs. I'm pretty sure that the M4438 will be offered with 2GHz CPU, bigger/dual HDDs, more RAM etc...
post #3 of 12
wasn't this already posted?
post #4 of 12
I wouldn't consider this a "shootout" because your comparing a 15.4 incher to a 17 incher. I would choose neither because I don't want a 17" and I not only prefer nvidia, I refuse to buy ATI
post #5 of 12
well yeah i think this was posted before, but i belive i said.....

your comparing two very different notebooks, used for diff purposes. The 15.4 is more for mobility while giving some performance and is not really a DTR. The 17" is more like a true DTR. There is also a big difference between x700 and 6800. I think these notebooks are created with two different comsumers who have different needs and uses for a notebook. I find it hard to compare these notebooks based on specs at all, you just really need to ask your self what YOU are going to be needing from a notebook. Mobility, or Desktop Performance?
post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 
Well I did post something very similar to this thread on Sunday just before this site went down. It seems that the administrators or someone had to erase my orginal thread, probably due to website repairs so I didn't get to read any of the answers some of you might have posted on the original thread.

Anyway, yes these two are different notebooks but I see this as a shootout because there aren't really any better choices for me. Or can you recommend me another notebook that has killer specs, Pentium-M CPU, a good GPU, silver/grey design and a high resolution display. As I have said before, I live in a country where there's no way for me to get notebooks like Sager, VoodooPC or Alienware. Sure I could order Dell (although XPS Gen2 is not sold here) but the price would go all the way up tp 3000 dollars, and that's too high for me.

Okay so if I want a good CPU there's only two choices: Ati Mobility Radeon X700 or nVIDIA 6800GO. Sure there's the Ultra version from nVIDIA or the X800 from Ati, but they are very difficult to find inside a notebook much less inside a notebook that costs less than 3000 dollars. When you add to this that I want Pentium-M processor, I don't see other good options than Acer TravelMate 8104 and Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo M4438. Yes, M4438 is more of a mediaPC with a big screen and Acer is more of a all-around notebook, but specswise they are my only options.

So I would like to hear more of your opinions on this matter, particularly on whether you believe M4438 is a quality notebook and not just a notebook that looks good because of the specs but isn't all that it's cracked up to be. Which one would you choose?
post #7 of 12
A user has posted an extensive review of the M3438 on amilo-forum.de, here's a babelfish tranlated link of the review. As it's the same laptop except for the screen it should give you an idea how it will perform...
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BGD
A user has posted an extensive review of the M3438 on amilo-forum.de, here's a babelfish tranlated link of the review. As it's the same laptop except for the screen it should give you an idea how it will perform...
Thanks for the tip although that review was kinda technical and did not tell whether this notebook is of good quality or does it run games well. I wish somebody posted what score this notebook would get on 3DMARK05.

However, there were a few things on this review that eased my mind a little bit. Firstly the guy said that aluminum is used in the case so I think that makes this ntoebook more sturdy and high-end. The guy had really nothing bad to say on the keyboard, which is a good thing. Still, I am worried about the overall quality and how it compares to Acer TM8104

By the way, I heard today that Fujitsu-Siemens is also releasing a model called M1437 which is very very similar to Acer TM8104 except I think Acer has a higher-resolution screen, faster CPU and probably a higher price.

One of the things that concerns me on M4438 is that it is a mediaPC, much like Dell I9300. It even comes with a remote control. As I either type, surf the net, edit and mix music and pics or play, I don't necessarily want media features.
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by JohnBurrows
Performance and longetivity:
As I'm not going to buy another computer until 2010, I need a notebook with longetivity. Now I know I can't play the newest games in 2008 with everything turned to max even with a 5000-dollar notebook, but still I need some sort of 'futureproof' notebook. Certainly M4438 offers more of that because, let's face it, nVIDIA offers more longetivity in mobile GPUs than Ati, although I think Ati has better image quality and has more features.
For longevity and performance, I would go with the M4438 for 3 reasons:

1) Video card - the 6800Go will absolutely wipe the floor with an x700 in "modern" games...

2) Expresscard slot - since PCMCIA cards are soon going to go the way of the dodo, having a "future proof" expansion slot in the notebook itself (instead of in the dock, like the 8104) scores bonus points in my book.

3) SATA drives - again, IDE is dying and SATA is taking its place. I have also head that there could be a performance issue if you have an IDE hard drive on the same channel as your CD/DVD burner...

Whether these features are worth 50% more weight and extra bulk is up to you
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
Wow! Thanks for mentioning that Express Slot -feature. I was going to buy that Creative SB Audigy 2 ZS Notebook (PMCIA) -sound card. This is a big problem, because that is the best sound card for notebooks that Creative has, and I can't use it. I tried to look M4438's (well actually M3438's) specs but couldn't find any info on PMCIA slots. This is a problem!
post #11 of 12
where can you buy the fujitsu m4438 at?
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sylo
where can you buy the fujitsu m4438 at?
Well in my country of Finland they haven't released it yet. I'd imagine it will come available in 2-3 months. I heard somewhere that these models will be tough to find inside the US.
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