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post #1 of 18
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who thinks that the 17" WUXGA matte screen on the 9880 is not up to Sager standards?

I waited about a week for my nerves to calm down before I was going to post an evaluation of this screen. Seeing how pissed I was when I first saw the screen, I knew that it would not be a fair assessment, so here I am one week later and ready to give you folks a fair assessment of the screen.

First of all, one of the biggest reasons I went with a Sager and not a Dell, was because I could not tolerate the poor quality screens on the XPS2.

So, when I first fired up the 9880, I immediately noticed very minor light leakages all evenly distributed on the bottom of the screen when the black background Win XP screen came up. And my heart immediately began sinking slowly to the pit of my stomach. However, deep inside, I didn't give up hope and thought that maybe everything else would be perfect.

Then the blue Win XP screen comes on, you know, the blue background that comes on when you click to log in. And there in the left upper corner was a golf ball sized splotch of light blue color that looked as if it's washed out or something. This caused me to get up quickly from my chair in anger and disgust. Angry because after seeing the WSXGA screen, I thought Sager was all about quality. And disgust because after ordering the $200 no dead/pixel option, I would think that the Sager tech who put this computer together would've seen such an obvious defect on the top left hand corner.

Then, as I looked down on the screen while I was standing, there seems to be greater unevenness in light leakages on the left bottom of the screen. Then I immediately turned off the laptop and did not come back to it until 3 days later. This was how disappointed I was.

During this break, I couldn't help but think wtf Sager? How could you put a crappy screen like this in the 9880? I mean I could've sworn that 5150 Joker was playing a trick on me and switched his crappy XPS2 screen with mine at the Sager factory.

However, the next couple of days, I installed Doom3 and Prince of Persia Warrior Within just to get a feel of the colors and ghosting if there was any on this screen. If there was a light at the end of the tunnel for this screen, it's that the colors are beautifully rich and full of depth. And there was absolutely no ghosting at all even at full max resolutions on DOOM III. And yeah, the picture quality and colors on these games were marvelous! No complaints there.

The colors are also extraordinarily true and accurate in photoshop and DVD movies were a joy. So no complaints there either. And on a Word Document white background, there were very minor sparkles, but to those who don't know what sparkles are, you won't notice it.

When surfing on the net or using MS documents, I noticed that the letters on the tool bars were kind of blurry, but the texts on a typed Word document were clear, so I didn't know what was going on there.

And yes I played around with all the settings, even settings similar to many Dell XPS2 users, but I still could not get rid of the blurriness in the tool bars and the minor sparkles on an all white background.

In comparison to the WSXGA screen I used to have on the 9860, I'd have to say that this screen falls short in quality despite its higher resolution. Although the colors on this screen is very good, the colors on the WSXGA still seemed a little more true, and richer in depth. This is probably due to the WSXGA screen being a glossy type. However, the biggest advantage that the WSXGA screen had over this matte screen is that there was absolutely no light leakages and no sparkles whatsoever! And no matter what settings I adjusted this screen to, it still fell short of the WSXGA's quality.

So, needless to say, this baby is going back, and I'm going to give the WUXGA glossy screen a shot next.

Sorry for the long post, but I hope you found this helpful.
post #2 of 18
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Originally Posted by propofol
who thinks that the 17" WUXGA matte screen on the 9880 is not up to Sager standards?

I feel the same way. I think it was a mistake that Sager offered this screen. That is the main reason I RMA'D my 9880. I am also geting the GLOSSY WUXGA! Also the 670 cpu!
post #3 of 18
Isn't the upper left corner on the Win XP Logon screen brighter by design? Yes I'm pretty shure the logon screen is not designed even in color...
post #4 of 18
Ramificatio, you are most definitely correct. On many, many machines, CRT or LCD, I've seen that and gotten all alarmed - then remembered, it's *supposed* to be there.

What the #&*$ is a sparkle!?
post #5 of 18
propofol,

Did you know ahead of time that Sager and Dell BOTH use the same Samsung LCD's?

/w
post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by TheMatrix
Ramificatio, you are most definitely correct. On many, many machines, CRT or LCD, I've seen that and gotten all alarmed - then remembered, it's *supposed* to be there.

What the #&*$ is a sparkle!?
Lol. As soon as I saw Propofol mention the light blue area on the logon screen I had a good laugh! My Viewsonic P95F professional 19" CRT has the exact same "obvious defect"! .

I wonder how many other people dont realize that is the way the logon background is?

Other than that, good review and write up propofol. I personally had 0 complaints with the quality of my wuxga screen - and that was after having a glossy on my 9860.
post #7 of 18
Well you learn something new everyday. I didn't know that?
post #8 of 18
i believe the wuxga lcds in the xps2 and 9880s are both from lg phillips. that's probably why you get the light leakage and minor sparkles. well weren't you the one waiting for an amd dtr? at least you've got something to look forward to with rockdirect's announcement.
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by HULK
i believe the wuxga lcds in the xps2 and 9880s are both from lg phillips. that's probably why you get the light leakage and minor sparkles. well weren't you the one waiting for an amd dtr? at least you've got something to look forward to with rockdirect's announcement.
Samsung. The LG ones don't seem to be shipping out as prevalent anymore. Dell and Sager are using the same as of right now. Samsung for both matte and gloss.

Leakage was really only on the Samsung, although the LG did have it as well (er does) just not to the same degree. The LG was the only one that I have known of to have sparkles.

/w
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by whyttrash
propofol,

Did you know ahead of time that Sager and Dell BOTH use the same Samsung LCD's?

/w
Uh, no I did not. Both Luke at PCTorque and Matt at Discountlaptops have both informed me that they were not the same screens. If they are the same, I am very pissed!

And about the upper left hand corner being by design. Uh, I don't think so. It looks as if somebody took their thumb and pressed on that part of the screen, causing a golf ball sized ripple like splotch effect. Wish I had a digital camera to show all of you, but I don't.

So Luke, Adam, or anybody else care to comment about whether these WUXGA screens are the same ones being used by Dell? Because if they are the same, I am going straight back to the WSXGA screens and downgrade to the smaller resolution, but definitely better quality screen.
post #11 of 18
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And about the upper left hand corner being by design. Uh, I don't think so. It looks as if somebody took their thumb and pressed on that part of the screen, causing a golf ball sized ripple like splotch effect. Wish I had a digital camera to show all of you, but I don't
What you describe is present on both my CRTs when booting into windows XP. I thought it was a screen flaw when I first saw it on my brother's dell too, but next time I booted on my desktop there it was.

Louis
post #12 of 18
Oh yeah, and I am truly sorry to hear to got a crappy screen. That sucks. I would be pretty peeved too, hope your replacement is better.

Louis
post #13 of 18
I used to c some leakage on my princeton 17" (from botom and a bit from top), but i think now i barely seen it for the last 3 months or so..i don't notice it at all ! maybe only when the backround is balck win xp but NOTHING ELSE,not in games not in anything
post #14 of 18
Propofol, seems to me this is a case where you had a self-fulfilling prophecy. You were on the edge of your seat biting your lip at the chance to find something horribly wrong with the screen since you ordered it, and found some things that could be better, and some things that are not even defects but you jumped to attack in your anti-lcd goggles. If you really had that much anxiety and fear you probably should have just purchased the glossy to begin with instead. I guess some people like to go through this kind of thing to validate to themselves they made a wise decision in switching.
post #15 of 18
im completely satisfied with my order...and thats after rma'ing 2 9860's!!
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by propofol
During this break, I couldn't help but think wtf Sager? How could you put a crappy screen like this in the 9880? I mean I could've sworn that 5150 Joker was playing a trick on me and switched his crappy XPS2 screen with mine at the Sager factory.
I'm not surprised since people were already complaining about light leakages and it has been a Samsung defect since day one, you were naive for expecting otherwise (Samsung and LG only have one 17" WUXGA model so there is no way PCTorque was using something different). Fortunately for me this is the 2nd Samsung I've had over the course of owning this XPS2 and it has very little light leakage (and its faint) so its nearly perfect: Dell Samsung WUXGA Welcome to the world of crapshoot screen selection, maybe you will get lucky and the next display you get won't have as severe light leakage like mine.

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Originally Posted by exception
Everyone remember: most LCD light leakage fades over time.
This is true.

Also for those of you that received a Samsung WUXGA (glossy or otherwise) with your 9880, these profiles I made may help a lot to alleviate the default washed out look: http://www.notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=79328
post #17 of 18
Everyone remember: most LCD light leakage fades over time.
post #18 of 18
...Or as soon as you turn off the screen....
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