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post #21 of 102
10/14/03 at 5:57pm
some of us are freaking out, the rest could care less. Until it is actually shipping in a dell laptop...which won't happen this year, if at all, it is a big non-issue.

You guys will be waiting for The Phantom gaming console too, lol.



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post #22 of 102
10/14/03 at 6:02pm

Re: Oh dear...

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Originally posted by Inferno-TRG
Well, I have a 9700... my friend overclocked his 9500(to supposedly the same speed as my card) with almost the EXACT same system, and mine was definately faster, our benchmarks proved it. Anyways... I think its hilarious that you sager guys are freaking out so much... and yes you ARE freaking out.

Lets say this graphics card is real... dell has it... and yours isn't the best... then its not and thats the end... you guys freak out and keep saying how its just an overclocked Pro...
Now... if you guys had some XT model card, you'd say how much better it is than all the rest out there and how superior your systems are.

Sagers are very good machines, especially for the price, but are NOT superior to everything.

Theres plenty of good laptops out there. I think you guys get WAY too defensive just because someone mentions something good about another laptop. You take it as if they're saying yours sucks.

Its like my friend with a Mustang GT, who LOVES american cars... I love German cars, and so do several other friends of mine. Now if he reads a magazine article, and all it says, is "This *german/japanese* car has "this" or "that", and doesn't mention american cars at all... He takes offense and says something stupid like, "well american cars can do that" or "american cars are good too" "American cars could do that if they wanted to"

Its the same situation. You guys get defensive JUST because someone mentions something that could be good about another laptop. I'm sorry, i like you guys and everything, but sometimes you need to calm down, they're not attacking Sagers! Seems like you guys more likely attack everything thats not a Sager, "OMG THAT SCREEN SUCKS"

Sorry for the long post. This isn't a flame just an attempt to make order in here...
I'll admit i was freaking out but only because i originally was gona buy the 8600 but when the reviews started comin out i had my doubts then i found out sager had a new model coming.I was freaking out only because that lappy would be pretty nice if there was such a thing, but as Jebus said as long as it can do what i want and the sager will definatly be able to do this.I had a gforce mx420 which has like 3500 on 3dmark or something, now my NEW LAPTOP IS COMING TOMMOROW!!
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post #23 of 102
10/14/03 at 6:34pm

Re: Oh dear...

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Originally posted by Inferno-TRG
I think its hilarious that you sager guys are freaking out so much... and yes you ARE freaking out.

Lets say this graphics card is real... dell has it... and yours isn't the best... then its not and thats the end... you guys freak out and keep saying how its just an overclocked Pro...
Now... if you guys had some XT model card, you'd say how much better it is than all the rest out there and how superior your systems are.

Sagers are very good machines, especially for the price, but are NOT superior to everything.

Theres plenty of good laptops out there. I think you guys get WAY too defensive just because someone mentions something good about another laptop. You take it as if they're saying yours sucks.

Its the same situation. You guys get defensive JUST because someone mentions something that could be good about another laptop. I'm sorry, i like you guys and everything, but sometimes you need to calm down, they're not attacking Sagers! Seems like you guys more likely attack everything thats not a Sager, "OMG THAT SCREEN SUCKS"
Well, there is some truth to the Sager evangelism found on this forum, but what do you expect? It is like going to a Mac forum and being angry that Mac users love and defend their machine of choice.

Whether or not Dell has the 9600XT is a moot point to many Sagerites because of one reason: A Dell with a 9600XT, is still a Dell.

As for me...I'm waiting to see how nice the Sager 4080 is!
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post #24 of 102
10/14/03 at 6:38pm
When is enough speed enough?
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post #25 of 102
10/14/03 at 6:51pm
^^^when every game I play never drops below 60fps, at 1600x1200, with max eye candy.

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post #26 of 102
10/14/03 at 7:01pm
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Originally posted by Jebus
i think the argument was about the existence of the mobility version of the 9600xt and not the desktop version. based on ur logic...shouldn't there also be a 9700 mobile...or even a 9800 mobile? i honestly do not know if a 9600xt mobile will come out...but do i care? no...not really. as long as my lappy can do what i want....then having the latest and greatest doesn't bother me. i'm just assuming that the xt will feature faster clock speeds...but that would also make my laptop hotter and/or the fans louder.
If you were referring to my post, nowhere does my "logic" indicate there should be a mobile version of the radeon 9700 or 9800 cards.

I was comparing the 9700 and the 9500. The 9500 card with the RED PCB and L shaped memory layout is simply a simply 9700 card with a lower clock speed and 4 of 8 disabled pipelines.

The 9600XT is a faster 9600Pro, and there are no noticeable changes. Therefore the 9600XT will never reach 600mhz, because the core can't hit those speeds, even if the 9600pro can be OCed from 400 to 500mhz. That is an entirely different overclock.

Buying the 9600XT is liek buying a 9600pro card that is OCed straight from ATI, but doesn't mean it will clock any mroe than a 9600pro will (because it is already running closer to the max, and I am talking CLOCK speed, not benchmarks!).

Anyway, the whole point is so ATI makes more money, and if you don't understand this and wait for the new Dell it just goes to show how GOOD ATI's plan really is, because of all the gullable people out there
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post #27 of 102
10/14/03 at 7:07pm
The ad isnt fake I called Dell Sales and they confirmed A radeon 9600 for Nov release anyone can call and its also confirmed in the forums and for you extremely dell hating punks who assume its all just a naming scheme

the Geforce 5650 was not announced until 3 days AFTER it was on the market by dell THEN Nvidia made it public not to mention no one expected a pumped version of the 5600.

The 9600 XT note the X T for those of you who cant tell the f*cking difference is a LOW K dielectric version of the Pro which in laymans term means Higher Clock Speed and Lower Power Consumptions jesus even the 9600 and 9800 reviews will tell you THOSE EXACT words
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post #28 of 102
10/14/03 at 7:37pm
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Originally posted by JeffL
If you were referring to my post, nowhere does my "logic" indicate there should be a mobile version of the radeon 9700 or 9800 cards.
sorry jeffl...wasn't reffering to ur post. i was reffering to one of infamous_pb's posts. i should use the quote button more often. sorry for the misunderstanding
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post #29 of 102
10/14/03 at 7:53pm
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Originally posted by Jebus
sorry jeffl...wasn't reffering to ur post. i was reffering to one of infamous_pb's posts. i should use the quote button more often. sorry for the misunderstanding
No prob
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post #30 of 102
10/14/03 at 8:07pm

Re: Re: Oh dear...

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Originally posted by Appleseed
Well, there is some truth to the Sager evangelism found on this forum, but what do you expect? It is like going to a Mac forum and being angry that Mac users love and defend their machine of choice.

Whether or not Dell has the 9600XT is a moot point to many Sagerites because of one reason: A Dell with a 9600XT, is still a Dell.

As for me...I'm waiting to see how nice the Sager 4080 is!
I'm doing the same actually, the ONLY thing i'm worried about is that the screen won't be that great. Guess we'll have to wait and see!

And yes i can understand some of the statements on here because it is a Sager forum, and thats fine, just goes a little too far sometimes. but I agree.
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post #31 of 102
10/14/03 at 8:09pm
Really? - because when I called Dell they didnt know jack s**t about the 9600XT. All the guy could tell me was that there was a 9600 ATI card model to be released soon. He didnt know about XT or even Pro. Which is pretty typical of what you get from sales. I never trust anything until its out. As for sagerites "freaking out" I don't think we are freaking out at all - someone comes on our boards - asks where is sagers version of the 9600XT - we politely point out that. As for the forums confirming it thats as good as saying it was confirmed by a rumour heard from someone somewhere sometime. Forums are rumour mills.

a) This machine doesnt exist
b) The card doesnt exist
c) The card if it did exist would simply be an OCed 9600

And finally - ATI DO NOT SET THE CLOCK SPEEDS ON THEIR MODELS!!!!!!! - they rely on the manufacturer to do that - as I pointed out in a previous posting as obtained from ATI.

EDIT: Just finished talking to ATI (ahh the advantages of a company support contract) The guy I spoke to said that at present ATI had no plans of producing the XT in anything other than desktops.


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Originally posted by Maverick2o2
The ad isnt fake I called Dell Sales and they confirmed A radeon 9600 for Nov release anyone can call and its also confirmed in the forums and for you extremely dell hating punks who assume its all just a naming scheme

the Geforce 5650 was not announced until 3 days AFTER it was on the market by dell THEN Nvidia made it public not to mention no one expected a pumped version of the 5600.

The 9600 XT note the X T for those of you who cant tell the f*cking difference is a LOW K dielectric version of the Pro which in laymans term means Higher Clock Speed and Lower Power Consumptions jesus even the 9600 and 9800 reviews will tell you THOSE EXACT words
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post #32 of 102
10/14/03 at 8:12pm
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Originally posted by Bratag
And finally - ATI DO NOT SET THE CLOCK SPEEDS ON THEIR MODELS!!!!!!!
Freaking out.
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post #33 of 102
10/14/03 at 8:15pm
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Originally posted by Inferno-TRG
Freaking out.
You've got a fitting name for someone who spends all their time flaming.
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post #34 of 102
10/14/03 at 8:18pm
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And finally - ATI DO NOT SET THE CLOCK SPEEDS ON THEIR MODELS!!!!!!!
They DON"T? WOH! I guess my BUILT BY ATI radeon 9500 runs at inifinite core speeds then.

Jeez, go take a chill pill and do some RESEARCH.
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post #35 of 102
10/14/03 at 8:25pm
Hm... We should also take into account that the Sagers are going to be a full 3 MONTHS ahead of Dell's release, assuming XT isn't vaporware. Even if it does get released on schedule (and how often does that occur in the computer industry?), it will be nothing but a marginal increase in speed and performance to a pro. An overclocked PRO will easily catch up with an XT, and don't give me the crap about XT being able to overclock further... With dell's infamous warrenty/design, you'd melt a hole through your pants if you try to overclock it even more...
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post #36 of 102
10/14/03 at 8:31pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by jamesshuang
and don't give me the crap about XT being able to overclock further... With dell's infamous warrenty/design, you'd melt a hole through your pants if you try to overclock it even more...
Well, actually XT cards have the Overdrive feature which allows you to overclock it ATI's way. How much does it overclock? Dont know.... but I do know it does overclock in some way or fashion.
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post #37 of 102
10/14/03 at 8:45pm
Lol, one of those "hidden" features... I bet that a bit of hacking will activate it for the 9600 pro as well.

You know how the overdrive features works, right? When the temperature hasn't reached a specified limit, the overdrive feature would dynamically overclock until it reaches that temp limit. With dell's record, the XT would have to consistently underclock just to keep up with the temperature...

Even if the hardware overdrive is non-functional, it's possible with software solutions, which means that there is going to be a very little gain aside from the "XT"
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post #38 of 102
10/14/03 at 9:07pm
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Originally posted by Keen
You've got a fitting name for someone who spends all their time flaming.
Theres a difference between flaming and making a point.
Also, I guess i should have put a smiley to show that was more of a joke.
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post #39 of 102
10/14/03 at 9:27pm
Actually JeffL I received that info directly from ATI - as I posted previously but here it is again for those who lack the ability to read an entire post.

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Note, you will not find a clock speed listings for this product as the manufacturer of the laptop configures our chipset to their own specifications.
That was the response I got from ATI having asked the question of what clock speeds does the ATI 9600/9600 Pro Mobility chip run at.

I am not saying that clock speeds are infinite. But In theory if you could cool them enough they would be limited not by the clock speed but by memory bandwidth and other design factors. Clock speeds are generally determined by how fast (ie hot) you can run the chip and still be stable. This is why you are now seeing liquid cooled graphics cards, very much the same as you see liquid cooled CPU's. (I would also point out this is the second time I have posted this).

Since I work for a large pharmecuitical in the CADD (That's computer assisted drug design) which involves massive molecular 3d modeling - I do know a little about this. I also took the time to email and call ATI regarding this matter (As I also posted in a previous post).

So how bout you do a little reading before telling me to do research.

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Originally posted by JeffL
They DON"T? WOH! I guess my BUILT BY ATI radeon 9500 runs at inifinite core speeds then.

Jeez, go take a chill pill and do some RESEARCH.
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post #40 of 102
10/14/03 at 10:11pm
biggest group of complainers ive seen
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