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post #61 of 102
10/15/03 at 8:11pm

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Originally posted by ryanniedz
FIne. LEts get technical. Would you notice the difference between 80 fps and 8000 fps? I doubt it. The human brain cannot process that quickly and therefore you will not see a difference. Yes, it would have better benchmarks, but it is not practical. Thats my point.
The human brain would be limited by the input of the human eyes, some of which are able to differentiate between 80 fps and 8000 fps. The limiting factor in this case would most likely be the LCD's responce time.
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post #62 of 102
10/15/03 at 8:26pm
My opinon, the ad is fake. There would not be out in public if it was not available. The French (nor the US) I8600 offer a 9600. Too bad, I'd get one if they did.
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post #63 of 102
10/15/03 at 8:28pm
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Re: Re: Re: one question

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Originally posted by ryanniedz
FIne. LEts get technical. Would you notice the difference between 80 fps and 8000 fps? I doubt it. The human brain cannot process that quickly and therefore you will not see a difference. Yes, it would have better benchmarks, but it is not practical. Thats my point.

You could look at it like this: Well, you wont be able to notice a difference between 80 fps and 8000 fps - True. However, in two years or so when they have more power hungry games, that 80fps would be 1 fps and that 8000fps could end up being 100fps. Then its a big difference. My point? You will notice a difference if there ever was a video card clocked at 1500mhz.


Anyways..................................
Back to the topic of the thread
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post #64 of 102
10/15/03 at 8:43pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: one question

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Originally posted by infamous_pb
You could look at it like this: Well, you wont be able to notice a difference between 80 fps and 8000 fps - True. However, in two years or so when they have more power hungry games, that 80fps would be 1 fps and that 8000fps could end up being 100fps. Then its a big difference. My point? You will notice a difference if there ever was a video card clocked at 1500mhz.


Anyways..................................
Back to the topic of the thread
Your a moron if you think you cant notice a difference between 80 and 8000 fps.........
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post #65 of 102
10/15/03 at 9:38pm
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Originally posted by Divine_Madcat
Your a moron if you think you cant notice a difference between 80 and 8000 fps.........
I said you WONT be able to notice a difference between 80 fps and 8000 fps.... Why are you calling me a moron????
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post #66 of 102
10/15/03 at 9:42pm
Oh god!!

I dont give a **** if Dell has something and we dont...go take a piss you guys!!!
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post #67 of 102
10/15/03 at 10:39pm

hahaha

hahaha gs you crack me up dude!!
ahh....well, no you may not be able to see the dif. and infamous, he didnt call you a moron per se, but if you THINK you can see the dif. Cool?
Its okay infamous, dont sweat sometimes these old sager geezers get an itch they cant scratch....
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post #68 of 102
10/15/03 at 10:45pm
Just like a f***in hen house around here...

My guess is it's just a RV360 core version of the m9600 pro.


Please by all means don't let me interupt the cat fight though it's somewhat entertaining in a white trash Gery Springer sort of way.

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post #69 of 102
10/15/03 at 10:52pm
I just like pointing out every 5-6 posts that it doesn't even exist yet, and you can't even get 2 people at Dell to agree that it will, within any given time frame.

:-)


sit and wait for something that may never happen , or experience the joy of a 9600 pro right now?

The choice is obvious.
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post #70 of 102
10/15/03 at 11:33pm

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Originally posted by infamous_pb
I said you WONT be able to notice a difference between 80 fps and 8000 fps.... Why are you calling me a moron????
Thats even worse! Yes, you can tell. The human eye (while it doesnt see in fps per-se) can decern up to around 260.......
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post #71 of 102
10/15/03 at 11:45pm
Also - if the card is by default able to crank out at least 1000 fps...we can turn up all the graphics options and still get it to run games at a decent 300 - 500 fps which is MORE THAN ENOUGH in my opinion


Of course...if you look at the trend in the past...whenever someone says "This ought to be more than enough" It usually NEVER is in a little over a year later
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post #72 of 102
10/16/03 at 12:16am
hmm...
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post #73 of 102
10/16/03 at 12:29am

Possibly the most confusing paragraph I have ever read



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We will examine this board in greater detail throughout this review; however we should note that this part is still based on the 150nm process and ATI have not sought more performance by moving to 130nm for their high end part. Moving from one process to another is rarely a simple task, and while RV350 & RV360 are based on 130nm silicon processing this is because they were designed from the outset with this in mind. To transition an already existing part, especially one as complex as this, to a new process can be time consuming, costly and introduce considerable risk should something go wrong. For these reasons ATI have opted to say with 150nm for what is in reality only a minor product refresh. Given that ATI's process philosophy is to trial new processes first on less complicated parts and then move to the high end, considering RV360 is a 130nm low-k part that could give good indications as to where ATI's next high end parts may be moving towards.

The question remains though: does the 150nm process have enough left in it for one last gasp in ATI's high end products?



The Preccssiousss is LOoossstt!!!
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post #74 of 102
10/16/03 at 12:52am
LMFAO!!!
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post #75 of 102
10/16/03 at 1:14am
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Originally posted by 51|RandoM
I just like pointing out every 5-6 posts that it doesn't even exist yet, and you can't even get 2 people at Dell to agree that it will, within any given time frame.
Let alone getting ATI, you know, the people who would have designed the thing, to admit to its existence.
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post #76 of 102
10/16/03 at 1:26am
What is all the fuss about?

I've not read all of the posts, but looking at the Dell site, it appears that a highend Ati part to replace the 9000 choice or as an option to the 5650 choice is an obvious move. Further, I suppose that it is evident at this point that the M11 part that the ATI guy was talking about is the same thing as the mobile 9600XT.

Also, from the discription of the difference between the underlying chips, it is evident that the new chip would fit on current motherboards designed for the 9600Pro.

So, this would be the next thing that we can expect to see on the Sagers - in Nov?, Dec? - Do you want to wait? The perennial question with technology. My .02 would be that if gaming is extremely important and you are going for a high resolution (1600x1200) you may want to wait.

When to jump, it is the same difficult decision that we all have to make. Sager probably does not want to pre-announce technology availability. Could undermine current sales and the newer technology could be delayed!

Obviously, if the 9600XT were available now, we would all want it even if we didn't need the increased speed. It runs cooler, which is always a good thing.

What to do?????
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post #77 of 102
10/16/03 at 2:14am
This is the part I was linking for.

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Utilising low-k dielectrics should have the benefits of reducing the power requirements and reducing the heat output of the chip. The net effect of this is that ATI can still utilise the same rather tiny cooling solution found on Radeon 9600 PRO, whilst increasing core clock speeds. Considering that RV350 was nigh on an exact copy of the M10 notebook part is conceivable that a new notebook variant will appear based on RV360, as the advantages that low-k brings are perfect for the mobile environment.

At present we are not fully aware of Radeon 9600 XT's shipping clock speeds, though we do not expect them to be any less that 500MHz for the core and 300MHz (600MHz effective DDR) for the RAM.
As for a lack of corroborating info I remember people having problems getting Dell to fess up to the 5650s existence even a few days after it was on the French and German sites.

As for the XT moniker it would purely be Dells doing (as 5650 was) but makes sense as the only other known R/RV360 core products have XT at the end of their name as well.
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post #78 of 102
10/16/03 at 8:54am

Increased performance of 9600XT

Apparently, ATI has made last minute changes to the silicon of the 9600XT to further improve performance:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12161

I wonder if and when these improvements will make it into the Mobility versions of the 9600.
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post #79 of 102
10/16/03 at 9:56am
Wow, why have so many people gone crazy about this? I believe the ad is genuine, but it isn't really that big a deal. I imagine the 9600 in that Dell probably will clock a bit higher than the chip being used in the current Clevo systems. It will be the new low-K dielectric chip, as many here have noted, and there's no question this new chip clocks higher than the outgoing 9600 core. I would imagine it will probably clock at around 375MHz as standard and probably top the current Clevos by a similar 15MHz for overclocking, so no biggy.

I can't imagine why anyone thinks this is some big hoax or marketing scam - Dell had an exclusive on the new flip chip version of the fx5600 mobile gpu. Of course the fx5650go name was marketing, but it was a different chip to those being used in the Sony and Toshiba notebooks.

Ultimately Dell are much more important to ATI than Clevo thanks to the fact that Dell are a collosal company making huge numbers of both desktops and laptops, whereas Clevo are a relatively small notebook maker. Whether you think Clevo or Dell models are better isn't really relevant. Size matters...
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post #80 of 102
10/16/03 at 12:33pm

Re: Increased performance of 9600XT

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Originally posted by BargainSeeker
Apparently, ATI has made last minute changes to the silicon of the 9600XT to further improve performance:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12161

I wonder if and when these improvements will make it into the Mobility versions of the 9600.
Nice find I'll go link it in the [H] thread unless you'd like to.
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