Your next notebook - Pentium M or Turion? - Page 4

P4 is just fast and nobody can deny that.

I have given the stats above for all to check


centrino and turion thingy. the Ml-34 beats the shit out of centrino at 1.8ghz and gives better battery life.

centrino - 2mb l2 cache ,64kb l1 cache,533mhz fsb, 27w power
turion high- 1mb l2 cache , 128kbl2 cache,1600mhz fsb, 34W power
turion low- 1mb l2 cache, 128kb l2 cache ,1600hz fsb, 23W power

turion high for power and gaming and turion low for battery life and performance. centrino is cornered .No more hope.

I would like to see benchmarks backing up this statement

If you look at the benchmarks when they did that, they oc'd the P-M way up. You have to look at actual real life comparison. a P-M running at 2.5 ghz compared to a stock 3.4 Ghz P4 is not a fair comparison. You would need to compare the stock P-m to the stock P-4

Well, they've demonstrated that developing the Netburst architecture was a near-complete waste of time. I'd call that doing quite the number on themselves, and a large corporate embarassment.

Notice I said a 2.13 GHz P-M? A 2.5 GHz P-M would kick the shit out of a 3.4 GHz P4 but I never said an OC'D P-M

There are no OC'D P-Ms here









Here is the OC'D one




I dont understand why everyone is still arguing which processor is better. Everyone seriously needs to get over it PMs are better a certain tasks in comparison to P4s and AMD 64s. AMD 64s are better at other tasks and so on. I think I am going to need to take a vacation from NBF if this keeps going on.

Intel, Dell, Worldcom & Enron, what's the difference?

I don't see any difference between them as they all define what unethical business practice really means in corporate America today. If you don't like this direction either then do the only smart thing and take your business elsewhere until they all change their ethics for the better. As the refrain on the message boards goes, instead of don't feed the trolls, don't feed the megalomaniacs, they will just use the money to scam other people.

Well, once I've gotten all the use I can out of my Gateway M680 (should arrive by Friday ) I'll almost definitely buy a Turion laptop. Once they have the market support that the Pentium-M does then the two platforms will be viable for comparison, and I think we'll see AMD out in the lead once again.

PM was never ever specificly designed from ground up for mobile platform.

The execuation core is the P6, same as the the P-III coppermine and tualatin, with the addition of SSE2; the differences are :

• New SIMD extensions (such as SSE2).
• lengthening of the pipeline by additional 3-4 stages.
• Dedicated Register Stack management.
• Addition of Global history to branch prediction.
• Fusion of certain sub-instructions mediated by decoding units.
• Enhanced Speed Step.
• Dynamic cache activation by quadrant selector.
• larger L2

Most of these improvements are actually taken from the Netburst (P-IV) architecture. 98% of the the PM architectural elements are either inherited from P6 core, or adopted from Netburst; with the only major improvement not present in either architecture being the Enhanced Speed Step (which Netburst eventually adopted anyways), and dynamic cache activation. There is absolutely nothing of "from ground up"ness in PM's design.

wow I have no idea what you just said hardball, but It sounds really fancy and technical, so im gonna have to agree with the last line

check it out, maybe you can decipher this paper for me

A p4 in a notebook chipset is a waste of money and power.

A P4 stock in a desktop makes more sense than in a notebook.P4 was never for a notebook and hence the chipsets made for it also made abad pair against centrinos which are received with kudos from chipset makers. I never said A p4 is better in a notebook.

For better battery life and portability the turion 25W Ml-34 1.8ghz is the best
Centrino comes after but The turion Mt-37 beats the hell out of it for performance.

A p4 was always good in desktops.

Hence for portability go for low turion
For portability and power go for High turion
For sheer power go amd athlon
for desktop go P-4

That's right, I hate Dell for charging me a mere $1600 for a notebook that would of cost me $2400 from Alienware... I guess that extra $800 would of helped me feel like I am fighting big buisness Seriosuly Snorre I don't care if you hate Dell or Intel w/o any logical reasoning but don't ever compare them to radical right wing bitches like Enron and Haliburton. No one should ever compare a computer company that sells computers to a company that profits off of the death of the US soldier.

This topic got... off-topic... fast.

I think it was Mikey that said it before, and said it best. P-M will always retain some upper hand over Turion and Turion will always retain some upper hand over P-M. In the end, all you need is a laptop to complete the functions that you want it to, and complete them within some good timeframe. Some want more power than others for their needs, as others want more portability than others for their needs.

*sigh* Why can't we all just join hands and sing Kum By Ya?

Yeah sorry for getting off topic

I think there needs to be a dedicated thread that lists the strengths and weakness of each CPU, for example

P4
Pro: Better Multimedia Encoding
Con: 32 Bit, low battery life
AMD64
Pro: Better at games, 64 Bit
Con: Low Battery Life
PM
Pro: Better battery life, nice performance on games
Con: Can be expensive

you all get the idea

And what is the your source of this important piece of information.

You sound like a Turion fanboy.

I agree. There really have been no "real" benchmarks for Turion vs P-M (AMD's site DOES NOT count). I am guessing that the Turion will be about on par with P-M's, but lacking in battery life a little, since AMD even admitted that Turion's could have up to 35% less battery life then P-M's. However, I still wish that a good Turion laptop with an x700 or geforce 6600 go would come out that is around $1700. It is mainly because I want to get 64 bit support, but maybe I am kidding myself, since by the time I need 64 bit OS', the laptop will probably be obsolete. Damn I am rambling a lot.

Turion I guess .

Yeah he doesn't know what he is talking about

I think that there's no point in buying a 64-bit notebook right now. The only decent 64-bit mobile cpu out there is Athlon-64 but it does drain batteries quite heavily. And even if you decide to buy that or Turion you know you are going to have problems when new Windows arrives. Sure there's the WinXP 64-bit edition but the next official Windows, Longhorn, has so insane system requirements that I don't think even Dell XPS Gen2 can manage it.

Of course, you don't have to update into a new OS as many people have said that new Windows OS' will have all kinds of security risks so it may be wise to stick with WinXP even after the release of Longhorn. Anyway, I'm buying a new notebook in the fall and at first I thought I should wait dual-core CPUs or 64-bit mobile CPUs from Intel (I'm an Intel man all the way) but the truth is that in my use (light gaming, typing, surfing, editing&mixing pics&music, dvds) those new technologies won't offer much performance increase and are not so good that I should wait almost a year until I can buy a notebook. Right know, F-S Amilo M4438 with it's WUXGA-screen, 2GHz Pentium-M, nVIDIA 6800go 256MB, 1GB RAM, hard-drive with RAID support, will offer solid performance and run Half-Life 2 excellent. That's enough for me eventhough longetivity is important to me.

all those insane requirements for longhorn is very skeptical. There have been versions of longhorn that have been leaked, and they run fine on todays computers. Some guy in another thread was even running it on some 3 year old lappy with 256 ram and a p-2 or something