9880 or XPS Gen 2 - Page 2

omg.. who said anything about overclocking? did I ever mention overclocking?

I'm also trying to figure out where overclocking came into play. I strongly reccomend against overclocking a CPU in any notebook

ok this is the comparison you made...
pm beats 3.6 ghz
that is an empty statement because u didn't say what p-m it was...
an overclocked dothan beats a 3.6 p4 yes.. of course
i think your just refering to that one toms hardware article people posted a 1,000 times....
but a 2.13 ghz p-m procesor such as the one in a xps2 is not faster then a 3.8 ghz p-4 as found in the SAGER
So i mean say waht you want to say but ur being general and comparing apples with lemons:O
WE are comparing notebook proccesors. Those being the ones found in the Sager 9880 and the xps2 NO OTHERS
so please stay on topic and stop getting me offtopic with you...
It is simple a 3.8 p4 beats a 2.13 p-m
and even if you wanted to over clock the p-m you wouldn't be able to when you would be able to overclock the 3.8 p4...
At stock speeds the 3.8 p4 beats the 2.13 p-m at over clock speeds it beats it even worse cause you can't even oc the 2.13
please be more specific and stop using bold letters when what your bolding bears no relavancy
This guy said he wanted the most power and does not really care about weight battery life etc... so ... that would mean the Sager would be hsi better choice..Faster processor and option of Raid 0 on hard drives(another thing entirely)
He was specifically talking about gaming in where the 3.8 beats the 2.13 p-m
Do i need to say that again for you?

EVEN ON the xps/9300 forums it said you multiply the speed of the pm by 1.7 or 1.75(now thismight not be right) but even with this conversion which was on the xps2 side of the forums... the 3.8 would be faster...
*i will save more till you respond*

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2382&p=3

here is a non tomshardware link, I dont see what is wrong with THW but w/e. As you can see the P-M is faster in some, P4 is faster in others, AMD64 is faster in others. Comeone guys we all should know there is not one superior CPU!

Whichever notebook you get just be sure you get the 6800 Ultra with it.

Bravo to that..
I understand that the p-m performs better in certain tasks.. etc..
But i am still sure that a 3.8 p4 would perfrom better then a 2.13 pm at cs:S
:"P which i think is the most popular game around...
ultra= definte
idk if i'm buying my xps2 now though... cause rn't there just about to release the whole new est of procesors and graphics cards?

the topic was XPS2 vs Sager 9880, so obviously I'm refering to the 2.13 P-M, and I never mentioned overclocking, you're the one who mentioned that..

Michael already posted some benchmarks, but those are limited in gaming tests, and the results are split. Still.. I'm sure that the P-M would take Farcry, and HL2 if they showed benchmarks for those..

In any case.. who told you CS:S is the most popular game out there? just because you play it, it doesn't make it the most popular game. 1.6 is played about 9 times more than CS:S right now and neither is the most popular online game out there

http://www.xfire.com/xf/index.php
counter strike is second to WoW... and people play more hours of WoW because it is an rpg i would think... And WoW isn't as computer intensive as cs:s

it seemed as if you were refering to the toms hardware article the whole time the way you were talkign so i brought oc'ing into it...

So in your response could you be more specific in what your saying?

You believe that the 2.13(in the xps2) will run hl2 and far cry better then a 3.8 p4 with ht(in the 9880)

ugh... This isn't a Coke and Pepsi fight, you'd think we could get some cold numbers. Why not a couple people with an XPS run some bench mark programs, some 9880 owners do the same. Take the average of each side and see where the chips fall.

I lean toward the 9880 because of accessories... two hard and optical drives, upgradable video. And as far as Dell support, yeah it sucks - nobody has great support unless they are a small company that keeps it in the USA. I've done computer repairs at a major computer store and can't tell you how many times people bring in their Dells because they get the run-around and give up.

Dells warranty, can't sell them in Florida or New York; two states that require them to backup their claims with money incase they go out of business. (Accidental damage warranty)

onapartyrock... i like you

edit: f.y.i. coke is better

Don't listen to anyone anymore, obviously it's never going to come down to which PC is better. One is better then the other at doing something.

Who said the 9880 has upgradable graphics and the XPS doesnt? Are you even aware that the 9860 owners needed a mobo revision just to run the ultra? 9880=9860 with the mobo revison

Are you going to base dells customer service on some people that don't even know how to work a PC (thats why they bring it in)

the P-M will give it good competition.. anyway.. Xfire isn't an accurate way to meassure game popularity, only a small percent of gaming population uses Xfire, if you go to http://www.steampowered.com/status/game_stats.html you'll notice that according to Steam.. (the people who run the game ) CS 1.6 is 3 times more popular.. a while ago it was even worse, but I hadn't checked for awhile.

Ah ha now that is some good info:O
but if you wanna play 1.6 u don't even need an ultra... or anything like that...
So out of the new games which is most popular?
(curiuos myself i'll let u go find the info)

Look at this, from the most widely trusted source:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2382&p=3

Except for the Business benches (all integers, no branch prediction), P4 wins big against PM:







































Other games, while not shown in this review, such as FarCry, CS, UT2004, HL2, all show the top P4 much better than the top PM.

wow but the p-m beats the 3.8 out on doom 3? if i read that right dang...? more impressive then i thought it was...
I'm getting a p-m by the way in my xps2 i want to get... over the sager just to say i'm not biased... Dell is to cheap to handle

Right, Doom III is one game that is very memory/cache dependent, if you look at the graphs; The A64 3200 (512K L2, dual channel memory controller, at 2.0 GHz) can almost equal a 400 MHz higher clocked A64 3400 with single channel memory controller, keeping in mind that 400 MHz is a huge difference in A64.

And also see that lower clocked 6xx P4 can beat a higher clocked 5xx CPU in Doom III, which is not the case with the vast majority of the benchmarks. The only reason that PM is doing well in Doom III is that it has an excessively large L2, Other games will show a much different situation.

we're talking gaming performance, and as far as I've seen and heard, the Pentium-M fares well with the high end CPUs.. look at Doom 3 for example. While you can't argue the P4 encoding, and multi-tasking performance, the OP doesn't seem to find it relevant in his desicion, he only asks for gaming performance.

As an encoding/editing/workstation only a fool would pick the XPS2 against a Clevo D900T system because the P4 is meant for that kind of use, and not only that.. you also have Raid which helps a lot with those kind of application(Specially when you run out of RAM, and virtual memory kicks in), but in gaming performance, who's the best performer is very debatable, and in any case.. at the higher resolutions the bottleneck is the GPU, and not the CPU.. so (shrugs) I guess the point of the whole argument is pointless. In gaming the computers will perform about the same, in desktop apps the P4 system should perform better in most cases.

EDIT* and ouchemoma I don't know precisely which online game is the most popular, but I know CS:S isn't it. I think there's actually more servers for CoD+CoD:UO than CS:S but I'm not sure.. WoW has more over all players than CS:S at any given time.. but I hate WoW anyway.. >_>

EDIT2* Hardball so HL2, and Farcry aren't memory dependant? my 2.13 beats my 3800+ in both games, not by much, but it does, now tell me that a 3.4Ghz P4 will also beat my 3800+ in HL2, and Farcry...... please

They are much less memory dependent. By that I mean memory bandwidth, not latency. The 3.4 P4 will have a hard time beating the 3400+ (2.4 GHz, 512k L2), let a lone the 3800+.

You need to post what setup you have with your 3800+. My friends and I have recently benched a XPS system with 2.13 against a 3500+ system, the 3500+ having 6800Ultra and 1GB PC3200. We benched HL2, UT2004, and FarCry. Only in HL2, did the PM come out slightly ahead; while in the other two games, the A64 had >10% advantage at 1024X768.

I honestly never thought that 5 FPS would cause such a big uproar

HAHAHA good point michael
i think the best point of this whole thread