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post #21 of 36
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Originally Posted by DarthAcer
Tinkering with electronic is my hobby (I used to have a small business fixing radios, TVs, VCRs, and designed and constructed 144 MHz radios for fun. So I open and look inside every piece of hardware I own at some point (to hell with warranties). I understand that you are in dire need to have your laptop fixed... but if you can do it officially (on warranty), do it that way. What worked for me may not work for you.

Ever since I mentioned that going back to earlier ATI drivers helped, I've found two more "offenders": atheros drivers (I replaced Intel 2915 with Wistron CM9 Wi-Fi based on Atheros chipset, much much better but you have to find drivers that work reliably) and some remnants of latest Audigy 2 ZS notebook beta driver (gotta stick with original drivers from CD).

Now back to disassembling. On the back of laptop there is a screw that's holding the keyboard (right above the memory compartment). Unscrew it. Now you can open display and remove keyboard. There are to latches near the top left and right corners of keyboard. You push latches up (towards display to sink them in case) and pull top of keyboard carefully. Keyboard is connected to the main board so be careful not to tear the ribbon. To unplug it, you need to shift up the latch on the connector on main board and it will release the ribbon. Actually, it's quite well illustrated in this thread:
http://www.notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=106939
It also explains the rest. There will be a lot of screws on your desk. Keep 'em organized.

To get to CPU and GPU you need to unscrew main board (what you want to get to is underneath). The screws to undo are marked with white arrows on the board (4 of them if I rememeber correctly). Disconect some wires at HD and at the front on the left before pulling the board. Also, at this point you want antenna disconnected from Wi-Fi card as the cable goes through the hole in main board. You want it pulled out. Also, be careful with the ribbon that connects to touchpad. I could not figure out the latch on the connector so plugging it back in when reassembling was a bit tricky.

To remove heatpipe assembly unscrew 2 screws at the ATI chipset (one end of the assembly), 4 at the CPU (middle) and 3 (I think) at the fan. I kept the fan attached to heatpipe.

That's roughly it. Keep track of screws: some are just very slightly different from others in the batch, you don't want to have problems when putting it all back together.

I don't want to disassemble this laptop ever again. For reference, I disassembled TM8003 completely 3 times, easily.

Whew, that was one of my longest posts....
Thank you so much and have to thank MrMsyvc for his private message!! MrMsyvc send also this link which has also pictures disassembling the 810x.
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/716040

Undervolting seems to done it for me. my settings are 6x 7.32v and 15x 1.132 no intermediate settings. I ran GT Legends hotlap replay for and hour with no shutdowns, yeehaw. Rightmark's AC profile is on "Automatic management" and "battery profile" on minimal. Are these ok settings? While I was not at first keen about the idea to install 3rd party software to get my lappy work as it should, I must say I like the idea of undervolting. It might even add the age of some mechanical parts, which is always nice.

Mobilemeter gives me 47 Celsius when running with minimal settings on AC (~800 Mhz). How low temps you get?

Download mobilemeter: http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconVa...310/mm0310.zip

This thread show quite clearly the problems of dust.
http://www.short-media.com/forum/sho...t=18097&page=1

I have always used to vacuum my desktop PC's regularly, but to do it to the 8104 is trickier. Still, I'm gonna buy the Arctic Silver today and disassemble the whole thing carefully and nurse this baby. I rather wan to know how to fix the problem, than waiting a new lappy from Acer every six months. Once again thank you so much for your help, you guys are the cream of this forum.
post #22 of 36
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Originally Posted by Danmeister
Mobilemeter gives me 47 Celsius when running with minimal settings on AC (~800 Mhz). How low temps you get?
Congrats! 46-48C is what mine runs at. It games at 70-72-74C.
post #23 of 36
Whoaa, LOL get this:

I purchased some AS5 today and lifted the keyboard and saw my fan and gazed. It has transformed into a eunuch. All the blades have cracked into tiny pieces and this is obviously the reason for the high temps since the fan can't get the hot air out fast enough. This probably due to using ATI Tool for overclocking the GPU for better framerates. After changing the fan, adding some AS5, I don't probably ever need to worry a thing when it comes to heat generation. :-) Woohoo.
post #24 of 36
It always makes me wonder how many diffferent things may go wrong...

Are you going to find a fan that would fit in? Order replacement from Acer?
post #25 of 36
so danmeister, are you going to "re-volt" back to original or keep it undervolted?
post #26 of 36
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Originally Posted by jgaeta
so danmeister, are you going to "re-volt" back to original or keep it undervolted?
The current situation is that the finnish Acer has ordered the fan module for me. It seems that the hot air had made the fan blades bit fragile since I now presume they have were cut off during a high pressure air cleaning. I guess there was too much pressure then and feel a bit goofy about it right now . So don't worry too much about your fans and keep on playing as long as you want.

I have to re-evaluate the situation when I have the normal fan back on and after I've added some Arctic Silver 5 to the CPU and GPU. I like the fact that undervolting keeps my lappy quieter and thus saves the mechanical parts. So I have to check what Mobilemeter says after those, but probably will keep the lappy undervolted. Can't think of any reason why not. The prog takes about 3,6 megs of ram, which I can live with. Keep in mind that there might be some downsides in undervolting which I'm not aware atm.
post #27 of 36
I was worried, then I saw "high preesured air cleaning." Phew. I know you want to keep your machines clean and all, but there is absolutely no need for that.
post #28 of 36
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Originally Posted by airscottie
I was worried, then I saw "high preesured air cleaning." Phew. I know you want to keep your machines clean and all, but there is absolutely no need for that.
I disagree. Dust is the primary enemy for mechanical components. Here's to you all cleaning freaks. And ladies, you need to clean only once or twice a year.

http://www.directron.com/cleaning.html
post #29 of 36

Heat issues and BF2

Hello all, I feel a bit like Morpheus when he finally found Neo: Finally, a forum with people who know what they are talking about.:-) Such a rare thing on the Net anymore.. Oh I sidetracked

I've had my 8104Wlmi for 6 months now. I've been very pleased with it so far. One thing that shocked me originally is the heat issue. Now that I've read here what you guys consider hot, I'm wondering if something is wrong with my laptop?
I'm an avid BF2 player. I play for about 5 hours (or more) daily. MobMeter shows my CPU temps between 78-81 degrees C.
I have the ATI overclocked. I've monitored the temp difference with and without the overclocking and noticed only a difference of 3-4 degrees.
It's never seemed to matter which version of the Catalyst set I use. The only version that ever gave me trouble was 5.8. I'm currently using 5.7

BF2 runs great and I've only had trouble with certain overclocked settings. After testing various clock settings, I've found BF2 runs just fine. One very odd thing I've noticed though: BF2 will crash/exit after about 10 mins of play when the sound setting is set to "high". Works fine all day long on "medium" :-)

Comments welcome, and flames for a somewhat off-topic post acceptable
post #30 of 36
Are you using builtin sound or have something like Audigy 2 ZS Notebook. As you can see from my earlier post, the latest beta drivers for Audigy are problematic...
post #31 of 36
Nothing other than an analog headset plugged into the jack in the front of the machine. I'm using the latest ALC-880 Version 5.10.00.5178 drivers from RealTek. Seems that the 8104WLmi won't run sound in hardware properly in BF2? When I try, I only hear maybe 4 various sounds at any given time. Other sounds are missing completely. I'm assuming that this laptop just doesn't "do" hardware sound? I've had this problem with all versions of the sound driver that I've tried.
I'm having another problem with updating the bios, but I think I should find the right thread for that one :-)
post #32 of 36
I have also problems with BF2 when the sound setting is "hardware". It just sounds awful, and generally does not work right. I also had and still have problems with the BF2's internal MIC gain. I have posted EA about it, but it was not fixed in the patch. And no, it has nothing to do with the windows's sound settings. Can't use VOIP without yelling all the time Seems that the Realtek sound chip is just not ment for gaming. I'm also thinking about purchasing an Audigy.
post #33 of 36
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Originally Posted by Danmeister
I have also problems with BF2 when the sound setting is "hardware". It just sounds awful, and generally does not work right. I also had and still have problems with the BF2's internal MIC gain. I have posted EA about it, but it was not fixed in the patch. And no, it has nothing to do with the windows's sound settings. Can't use VOIP without yelling all the time Seems that the Realtek sound chip is just not ment for gaming. I'm also thinking about purchasing an Audigy.
I had the same problem. with the Mic settings. I purchased a labtec headset and it solved that problem I think since no one is complaining anymore. I've upgraded my drivers from realtek, but I'm not sure this affected anything. I'm also slightly confused about the sound system in the 8104, since I've seen "ALC 880D" as well as "AC97" advertised as the sound system.. Can anyone enlighten me on this?
EDIT:
I thought I should mention that when I originally tested the best settings for online play in BF2, I discovered that the sound setting "Software/High quality/EAX" made my system lag quite a lot. So I went back to "Software/medium/EAX" to stop the lagging. Just yesterday I discovered that "Software/High quality"(no EAX) works without any lag, but my machine crashes after about 10 minutes or so. .. Very odd.
post #34 of 36
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Originally Posted by JazzyTech
I'm also slightly confused about the sound system in the 8104, since I've seen "ALC 880D" as well as "AC97" advertised as the sound system.. Can anyone enlighten me on this?
It is ALC880D, a.k.a Azalia, a.k.a HD Audio.

I have eax.dll (version 3.0.6.0) from Creative Unified EAX driver (from the times I had external Audigy NX). Whenever I install/upgrade Realtek driver, I copy this eax.dll to System32 and then run regsvr32 eax.dll to register it. Apparently this is the one that seems to work for me. Don't know if it's optimal. There are probably newer versions of dll too. But I would not touch it since it works. Creative had that unified driver for cards that don't do EAX natively in hardware (Audigy NX is one such since it's USB1.1 based). Hence this works with Realtek although it appears to be software only. I am not playing BF2 and I would not recommend this solution for BF2, but otherwise seemed to be flawless.
post #35 of 36
Thanks for the info. I eventually figured that alc880D was the most correct, but due to all the "talking heads" it was hard to land on one correct solution. The EAX seems to work fine with the medium settings, so I'll leave it. Just thought I'd mention the odd fact that the program BF2 just exits with certain audio settings. Strange indeed; I guess I should be grateful that I can play BF2 at all on a notebook, eh?
post #36 of 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by JazzyTech
I had the same problem. with the Mic settings. I purchased a labtec headset and it solved that problem I think since no one is complaining anymore. I've upgraded my drivers from realtek, but I'm not sure this affected anything. I'm also slightly confused about the sound system in the 8104, since I've seen "ALC 880D" as well as "AC97" advertised as the sound system.. Can anyone enlighten me on this?
EDIT:
I thought I should mention that when I originally tested the best settings for online play in BF2, I discovered that the sound setting "Software/High quality/EAX" made my system lag quite a lot. So I went back to "Software/medium/EAX" to stop the lagging. Just yesterday I discovered that "Software/High quality"(no EAX) works without any lag, but my machine crashes after about 10 minutes or so. .. Very odd.

I think I should add to this:
It seems that my system only locks up with the sound set on software/high quality (no EAX) and playing BF2 offline?!?
Online the game runs smoother with the high settings and the CPU runs 2-3 degrees hotter now.I played for four hours with no crashes.. Boggle.. I suppose something was slowing the cpu down and making gameplay more choppy... very strange, but I can live with the higher temps.. Question is: can my laptop? lol I'm now averaging 77-79C....
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