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post #21 of 567
6/14/05 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by shoman24v
I'm confused as to how the bios will run 12 pipes.
Maybe the bios could run 12 pipes all along and the laser cut was the only thing blocking the extra pipes? I have been playing around with flashing different changes to my bios but am currently running the bios provided by Dell and getting the higher 3DMark scores. Maybe the hardmod gets you 12 pipes and a bios change would get you 16 pipes?
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post #22 of 567
6/14/05 at 2:47pm
Hi

my radeon 9800 bios version is: 113-A25204-102 do I need to update it?
thank you in advance
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post #23 of 567
6/14/05 at 3:03pm
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I am using the latest bios from Dell with -103 on the end. You can download the latest from the Dell website.
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post #24 of 567
6/14/05 at 3:05pm
OMG .///////// ARE YOU SAYING THAT PEOPLE ALREADY UNLOCKED THE PIPES BUT NEVER REALLY NOTICED IT !!!!?!?!?!??!?!!!!??!? hmm

BTW I am not sure if this is true for two reasons . So please answer both of the questions.

Reason 1 . I thought that pipes unlock only when you change the BIOS on the card. The cut only stops the extra pipes through hardware. (some people even had the same card without laser cuts!)

Reason 2 . Maybe you have showed the results on a different laptop running the mobility 9800 . Can you run the 3dmark05 test again and make sure you run sandra at the same time so on the screenshot it shows that it is a 9100/xps
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post #25 of 567
6/14/05 at 3:06pm
Did you just connect the left side of the dots, the right, or both?
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post #26 of 567
6/14/05 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by boza111
OMG .///////// ARE YOU SAYING THAT PEOPLE ALREADY UNLOCKED THE PIPES BUT NEVER REALLY NOTICED IT !!!!?!?!?!??!?!!!!??!? hmm

BTW I am not sure if this is true for two reasons . So please answer both of the questions.

Reason 1 . I thought that pipes unlock only when you change the BIOS on the card. The cut only stops the extra pipes through hardware.

Reason 2 . Maybe you have showed the results on a different laptop running the mobility 9800 . Can you run the 3dmark05 test again and make sure you run sandra at the same time so on the screenshot it shows that it is a 9100/xps

I have done the same thing but am not getting the results that raelcun is.
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post #27 of 567
6/14/05 at 3:34pm
Anyone else tried this?
Can you explain in more detail how you did it?
Did you use a conductive pen or something?
Is this conductive pen good for this job?
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Free_UK_Deli..._Pen_33837.htm
I tried installing the new bios and got the message "resources missing". Do I need Dell drivers installed? I have the -102 BIOS as well.
Where are these crazy guyz Whackamac and Thomszak and Hulk? They are always the first ones to test these things.
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post #28 of 567
6/14/05 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by boza111
Reason 1 . I thought that pipes unlock only when you change the BIOS on the card. The cut only stops the extra pipes through hardware. (some people even had the same card without laser cuts!)
I am not an expert on video cards so I cannot comment on what will or will not unlock pipes. Are you sure their cards did not have a laser cut?

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Originally Posted by boza111
Reason 2 . Maybe you have showed the results on a different laptop running the mobility 9800 . Can you run the 3dmark05 test again and make sure you run sandra at the same time so on the screenshot it shows that it is a 9100/xps
I know what laptop I have. You will just have to take my word for it. I am sharing this information so everyone can benefit from the added FPS in games. If you think that I am lying for some reason then ignore my postings. BTW, what other laptop even has a mobility 9800?

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Originally Posted by KAROLOYDI
Anyone else tried this?
Can you explain in more detail how you did it?
Did you use a conductive pen or something?
I tried installing the new bios and got the message "resources missing". Do I need Dell drivers installed? I have the -102 BIOS as well.
Where are these crazy guyz Whackamac and Thomszak and Hulk? They are always the first ones to test these things.
This is the only confirmation I have seen that someone else tried it and succeeded:

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Originally Posted by 1/2 bent
Well something is different now. I hard modded my card and i got 2800 before clocked @ 425/325 now with the same clocks i got 3267. My cpu is only a 2.8 and i had all my Norton's internet security on and anti virus. Thinking if i try i can get it up to around 3600 or so by shutting stuff down.

I'll mess around with it more tomarrow im tired.Maybe some more mem overclocking and a little cpu as well.
I kind of stumbled upon this when I installed the latest ATI drivers. I will take some time to retrace everything I have done and put together an instruction manual. Might take me a bit so be patient.

Yes, a conductive pen is involved.

Not sure about that message when you try to install the bios. I have never seen it before. Are running the bios update from windows or from a floppy?
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post #29 of 567
6/14/05 at 5:00pm
Ok. Found the problem with the bios. For some reason I had to change my region to US. Now it has updated the bios. Tomorrow I will go and get a conductive pen. I hope I won't do something wrong. Fingers crossed.
Do you have to use a knife to reveal the pipes? Can you explain some more how to do this? I think this is the most dangerous step. And this may be why the others that tried doing this did not succeed. maybe they just used the conductive pen without removing the layer that protects the pipes.
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post #30 of 567
6/14/05 at 5:07pm
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I actually just used the conductive pen myself. I did not remove anything, but that does not mean you won't have to. I will attempt to get a picture of the bridge I made tonight and post it here.
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post #31 of 567
6/14/05 at 5:14pm
My bios changed to :
BK-ATI VER008.017M.192.038
My original BIOS was:
113-A25204-102

What does your BIOS say?
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post #32 of 567
6/14/05 at 5:17pm
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Where is that information from?
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post #33 of 567
6/14/05 at 5:22pm
In the Control Panel>Display>Settings>Advanced>Adapter. In the bios information it says BK-ATI VER008.017M.192.038
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post #34 of 567
6/14/05 at 5:26pm
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Yes, mine says the exact same thing there.
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post #35 of 567
6/14/05 at 5:27pm
cool raelcun . OMG this sounds really cool . I have looked through your previous posts out of curiosity and you seem to be not the kind of guy that would post an april fools joke in june . Sorry for the accusation !



here is the qoute from whackamac

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well im still here...great to see others taking on this challenge. Here are some facts.

the MR9800 did NOT always have the laser cut. My first and second ones did not have it, therefore reconnecting these ARE essential to a successful pipe restoration, but this is not the answer. I havent checked my new one to see if it has the laser cut.

The pipes are disabled another way.
"


But maybe he is wrong
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post #36 of 567
6/14/05 at 5:38pm
Another question. What revision is your card? Mine is A00. (It has a white sticker on the card that says A01, A02, etc.)
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post #37 of 567
6/14/05 at 5:43pm
There is something else that Raelcun has done that is causing this. I have connnected the same the laser cuts with a conductive pen and isntalled the latest 5.6 drivers but am not getting the performance improvements.
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post #38 of 567
6/14/05 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by boza111
cool raelcun . OMG this sounds really cool . I have looked through your previous posts out of curiosity and you seem to be not the kind of guy that would post an april fools joke in june . Sorry for the accusation !

No problem. Apology accepted. Hopefully we can get this to work for everyone. As I said, I stumbled upon this after installing the newest ATI drivers. Maybe the drivers have something to do with it? I will retrace my steps and try to come up with a solution that will work for everyone. I had attempted numerous bios changes and flashing techniques to get the additional pipes to work. None of them seemed to make a difference. I did discover that the bios on my card at the time of installing the latest drivers was not the stock bios but rather one of the many modified versions that I had tried. I will do some testing to see if the bios made a difference.
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post #39 of 567
6/14/05 at 6:06pm
I hope this will work for everyone


Once this works . I am definetly getting a 9800 for my laptop
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post #40 of 567
6/14/05 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by boza111
I hope this will work for everyone


Once this works . I am definetly getting a 9800 for my laptop
You mean an X800!!
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