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post #41 of 56
Mmmm lets see if we can get clarity in this thread.

1. The 9700 is much faster at stock speeds. So if you do not want to overclock, it's the better card.

2. The 6200 TC can be overclocked to be slightly quicker than the 9700. However, you *do* void your warranty if you do this. Sure, if it breaks you can lie to Sony if you are the dishonest type and try and RMA it - but I personally would prefer not to put myself in that position.

"Sony really seems to have underclocked the card for some reason. I have been running with the higher clocked card now for 3 months with no probs at all."

Yeah - but it's only run like that for three months. I'm in the hardware business and have sold plenty of notebooks. And while the gfx cards on notebooks generally tolerate overclocking, I have had a *number* of clients who have returned notebooks with cooked hard drives or caps that have swelled on the mobos, and when asked admit to overclocking the gfx card

Remember, Sony doesn't set up the specs based solely on the heat of the gfx card and CPU - they have to look at the heat tolerances of the memory, hard drive, motherboard components, power circuitry, and screen components. And remember, they have to look at the heat tolerences of these components over a 3 or 5 year period, not just over 3 months.

Beyond that, they also have to look at power consumption when all components are in use. Lets say you generally game with the system plugged in, with the CPU at max clock and the gfx card overclocked, but with the sound off and wifi/bluetooth off. Now, lets say one day you happen to game on the same settings but unplugged, with the sound to max and the BT and wifi on - that may increase the power draw enough to kill your poor battery.

The settings Sony et al choose for notebooks such as this are *not* random. Yes, there is often a large margin available in terms of overclocking, because clocks are often set with power consumption being the main issue. However, we just don't know at what point you start to seriously risk your machine. If you overclock you are playing with fire - and if you abuse the RMA policies of these companies, that's stealing - plain and simple.

Artag
post #42 of 56
Thread Starter 
I wouldn't say the 9700 is MUCH faster. It is faster, but what games I use, it's not a night and day difference. What is different is how hot the laptop gets and battery life. I could live with a 2hr battery life that the s460 had, but the heat was unbearable. Since I use the laptop 80% of the time with the mouse, the heat that blows on your hand could burn your hair off your fingers. Well, not really but it does blow air at over 115deg.
post #43 of 56
WHat i dont understand is why sony would release such a portable laptop with such a poor battery life. Since portability and performance are what makes this laptop so great.
post #44 of 56
I will say that my 460 out performs the 360 I owned in real life gaming on bf2.
I do have 2 gigs of ram the 460 vs 1 gig in 360 so that could be a factor, but I am playing at 1024x768 w/ 2x aa and some texture on med along with a few other settings. Draw is 91% I think. I keep bumping it up and it keeps playing lag free.
Best playable config on 360 was 800x600 with med settings and 2x aa.
Need to load gta san andreas, but that shouldn't be much of a challenge.
post #45 of 56
Looks like the 6200 has the edge on the newer games that have DX9c. The ati card doesnt support it but the 6200 does and probably helps out abit
post #46 of 56
There are threads that discuss how much ram bf2 needs and there seems to be a great jump in performance from 1 gig to 1.5 gigs. I believe that is the bottleneck, not the graphics card. I believe that the 2 are so similar in performance that it's not really noticable while gaming.

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Originally Posted by cdd543
I will say that my 460 out performs the 360 I owned in real life gaming on bf2.
I do have 2 gigs of ram the 460 vs 1 gig in 360 so that could be a factor, but I am playing at 1024x768 w/ 2x aa and some texture on med along with a few other settings. Draw is 91% I think. I keep bumping it up and it keeps playing lag free.
Best playable config on 360 was 800x600 with med settings and 2x aa.
Need to load gta san andreas, but that shouldn't be much of a challenge.
post #47 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by lostbob
Looks like the 6200 has the edge on the newer games that have DX9c. The ati card doesnt support it but the 6200 does and probably helps out abit
I think you are correct Bob.
post #48 of 56
"Looks like the 6200 has the edge on the newer games that have DX9c. The ati card doesnt support it but the 6200 does and probably helps out abit"

Maybe so, but definitely not with the 6200 at stock clocks.
post #49 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artagra
"Looks like the 6200 has the edge on the newer games that have DX9c. The ati card doesnt support it but the 6200 does and probably helps out abit"

Maybe so, but definitely not with the 6200 at stock clocks.

true..I am running mine at 373/ 628 without any problems.
post #50 of 56
Thank you for the tip sir!

Happily running ATI Catalyst 5.7 on my Mobility 9700

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Originally Posted by joseph_68
Just to save everyone from the hassle I went through...

If you want to play games with your Sony S Series:

1. Get the S360 (The Radeon will offer higher quality performance than the Go 6200). Plus, the S460 seems to have a cheaper display. Seriously, if you compare the S360 and S460 together, the S360 can display total blacks while the S460 has a somewhat charcoal and clouded appearance.

2. The Sony S360 ATI driver is not ready for gaming. I first had problems with Doom 3 locking up the machine. Went to OmegaDrives.net, and installed the universal Omega ATI driver. While it totally stablized Doom 3, the performance suffered significantly.

3. But wait! I went to ATI.com, and dowloaded the newest Catalyst version 5.6. Next I followed the .exe file and let it create the ati directory and copy its files there. THEN, I ran a little program called "DH MODTOOL 2.2". This worked like magic! It converted the ATI Catalyst Program to ignore Sony's OEM nonsense and allowed me to install the full-blown package on my S360. this whole process is extremely easy, all the instructions are here:

http://www.driverheaven.net/patje


4. The results: Doom 3 runs AWESOME. I am currently running it under "High" settings at 800x600 and it flies. The game itself appears dark and dreary like it is supposed too. On the S460 it looks way too bright and grayish in contrast instead of using the blacks it cannot display.

5. If you are a gamer, blow off the PCI Express nonsense and watch the good ol' tried and true Dothan-based S360 fly with updated video drivers and up to 50% more battery life. Ohh and you won't melt your palmrest, which the Sonoma platform has already managed to do on some models (yikes).
post #51 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by joseph_68
Just to save everyone from the hassle I went through...

If you want to play games with your Sony S Series:

1. Get the S360 (The Radeon will offer higher quality performance than the Go 6200). Plus, the S460 seems to have a cheaper display. Seriously, if you compare the S360 and S460 together, the S360 can display total blacks while the S460 has a somewhat charcoal and clouded appearance.

2. The Sony S360 ATI driver is not ready for gaming. I first had problems with Doom 3 locking up the machine. Went to OmegaDrives.net, and installed the universal Omega ATI driver. While it totally stablized Doom 3, the performance suffered significantly.

3. But wait! I went to ATI.com, and dowloaded the newest Catalyst version 5.6. Next I followed the .exe file and let it create the ati directory and copy its files there. THEN, I ran a little program called "DH MODTOOL 2.2". This worked like magic! It converted the ATI Catalyst Program to ignore Sony's OEM nonsense and allowed me to install the full-blown package on my S360. this whole process is extremely easy, all the instructions are here:

http://www.driverheaven.net/patje


4. The results: Doom 3 runs AWESOME. I am currently running it under "High" settings at 800x600 and it flies. The game itself appears dark and dreary like it is supposed too. On the S460 it looks way too bright and grayish in contrast instead of using the blacks it cannot display.

5. If you are a gamer, blow off the PCI Express nonsense and watch the good ol' tried and true Dothan-based S360 fly with updated video drivers and up to 50% more battery life. Ohh and you won't melt your palmrest, which the Sonoma platform has already managed to do on some models (yikes).
Thank you for this. Any other driver tips? I'd love to get this system optimized, w/o the OEM crap.
post #52 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by cdd543
I will say that my 460 out performs the 360 I owned in real life gaming on bf2.
I do have 2 gigs of ram the 460 vs 1 gig in 360 so that could be a factor, but I am playing at 1024x768 w/ 2x aa and some texture on med along with a few other settings. Draw is 91% I think. I keep bumping it up and it keeps playing lag free.
Best playable config on 360 was 800x600 with med settings and 2x aa.
Need to load gta san andreas, but that shouldn't be much of a challenge.
try taking one of those GB ram sticks out and running BF2 and see if it runs better than it did when you had the S360. I have a very good gaming desktop (A64 3800+, X800XTPE, WD Raptor, Audigy2, etc...) and the difference between 1gb and 2gb is night and day for BF2.

...oh and I need to update my sig, cause I just got my new VGN-S360p
post #53 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by govtcheez
try taking one of those GB ram sticks out and running BF2 and see if it runs better than it did when you had the S360. I have a very good gaming desktop (A64 3800+, X800XTPE, WD Raptor, Audigy2, etc...) and the difference between 1gb and 2gb is night and day for BF2.

...oh and I need to update my sig, cause I just got my new VGN-S360p
agreed
post #54 of 56
Has anyone tried the "auto detect optimal clock" option in the Nvidia Forceware overclock window?? It sets my 6200tc at 550MHZ Core 1.1GHZ Memory !!! That was terrifying!!!!!! I feel lucky that the chip didn't melt... The temperature shoots up to 65 degrees. Looking for a software to monitor GPU temperature...
post #55 of 56
wow, that fing amazing, want to swap units, mines goes about 360/670
post #56 of 56
Well I don't believe that the 6200 chip can go that high.There must be a problem with the driver(BTW I left the powermizer at Max Battery when overclocking).I am using the stock driver and after I set the clock to 100/300 manualy the clock showed in HWinfo is still 300/300,it never chages...
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