Gigabit Ethernet Cable?

Anything gigabit would have to be fiberoptic. Cable modems dont support anything over 10mbps actually. Gigabit is only for lan networking right now, unless your on fiberoptic. Sorry be a few years till we see that in a non commercial enviornment.

Yes, that is gigabit over copper cable dude...standard cat5e/cat6 cable.

Never used it, but it works pretty well from what I know.

The cable modem issue is totally different. I get a 100mbit out on my Toshiba PCX2500, but I only have 2mbit caps, so no point.

Me and a friend hooked up a P2P network with a Cat5e crossover cable and it worked like a charm. Got the gigabit speeds but because of the HDD speeds (keep in mind i have a 4200rpm drive) he wrote the data i was sending him to his HDD at about 1GB a minute, which is pretty damn fast.

Right, since it was only mine and his we went the quick and easy way...plus it was a good way to test the cable i made.

well

well isnt it nice to have that kind of tech this early on?
sad...the aw people dont have gigabit capabilities yet...tsk tsk...

Ya ok I see what he was saying now, I was referring to it being piped in over the internet, which aint gonna happen for a bit.

WEll, thats not true.. for the CONSUMER, its not here yet... business is a different matter all together...

Cable Internet is essentially one huge 10BaseT network. No one can get better than 10Mbps, afaik. The cable modems just filter out the pictures and sound for the data. It's like how DSL modems filter out voice.

Syndicat3 and I pumped stuff through the gigabit ethernet cards with our 5680s. The speed was about 150Mbps; the HDs are the bottlenecks; 150Mbps / 8 is approx 19MBps which is what Sandra benched my hard drive (5400rpm 60gig) at. We used just a random piece of cable he brought with him.

Untrue. HFC (hybrid fiber-coax) networks (i.e., what the various cable co's have deployed and currently sell as cable modems) are capable of delivering roughly T3 (45 Mbps) to the customer's door. The modems they currently deploy are capable of delivering this as well (modulo those with only 10^T rather than 10/100^T Ethernet ports).

The fact that they don't currently do this says several things about cable co's, none of them good. Their networks are underbuilt and oversold INTENTIONALLY. Sure, they COULD build out enough to sell T3 access, but it's not cost-effective (read: it's not profitable).

If you REALLY want to feel inferior, just look at various networked high-rise apartments in Japan. They currently have 1Gbps to their door, and are in the process of deploying 10Gpbs to the customer's door. 10Gbps!

It's amazing what losing the old-guard Ma Bell sales model can do for your customers. Unfortunately, the cable co's, cell co's, and phone co's are all stuck in the "squeeze every penny out of every bit" model, and show no signs of changing.

Before you go spouting off you should really do your research. I support many ISP's. You will see tons of different speeds and technologies depending on the ISP. Most of the small modern high speed ISP's can do 100MB to a box very close to the home if not directly to the home. They typically do a Gig uplink from the street if Ethernet , or they do a OC-3 or OC-12 uplink to their backbone if it is ATM. If you live in a major metro. you may even see much higher speed uplinks depending on the equipment manufacturer. Yes, most cable modems can't do more than 10Mb/s, but many places have fiber to the home. It really just depends on where you live as to what your infrastructure looks like. My point is that you really can't make any general statement like most cable companies can deliver roughly 45Mb/s accross their networks. I can't name one cable provider I know that is running speeds that low. The slowest I know of are OC-3 155Mb/s ATM links. I can show you several that can do Gigabit speeds, and they could actually deliver it to your door if you were willing to pay for it. All they need to do is swap out their 10/100 card going to your house demark with a gig card, and running fiber or Cat5e into your home.

*ahem*





What part of "I'm discussing HFC networks (i.e., cable modems)" confused you, exactly?





As for me "doing my research", let's not get into a credentials war. You'll lose. Trust me.





Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go do some more work on the system that we're getting several million dollars from Paul Allen for. Then, I need to do some more work on the covert-channel packet transfer code I'm prepping for BH2k4, and make some headway on the O'Reilly book I'm proposing, now that the galleys for my last book have been sent to the publisher.





[edit] never mind. I don't have time to play games with you. Tell you what: Go learn what a CTMS does, how QPSK and QAM work, and then explain to me how, exactly, you're going to get more than 35-45Mbps out of the last mile. Then, go read up on elementary economics and the practice of overselling, and explain how, exactly, a cableco is supposed to turn a profit without raising rates substantially (and, by substantially, I mean above the $500/mo I could pay now to get a T1 to my door) and provide anything approaching 10Mbps.



I don't care if my ISP has quad-redundant OC-192 sitting a block away from me. As long as there's a CTMS headend, that bandwidth isn't accessible to me as a customer. And guess what, chuckles: every major cable provider uses an HFC architecture incorporating CTMS headends.



So, if you want to continue posturing by running down the litany of OC capacities, be my guest. But it's irrelevant and, franky, amusing. At least until you do it two or three more times. Then it'll just be sad.

By the way MCL...

Having lived in San Jose/Silicone valley I can attest to the fact that most of your cable/telephone providers there suck. Unless you are lucky enough to live in the right neighborhood you have very poor broadband access, but I actually support a fairly large ISP there that does 100Mb/s to the home. They do a combination of OC-3 (155Mbps) and OC-12 uplinks. So, they can support 622Mbps on their faster uplinks.

Re: By the way MCL...

Yeah, that whole "I'm discussing HFC networks (i.e., cable modems)" thing's really baking your biscuit, isn't it?

Re: Re: By the way MCL...

Yeah, that's it. You stuned me with the Paul Allen reference becasue he is a NETWORK GOD! No, really I wasn't trying to be an like you. I won't even profess to know how every HFC network is designed because the ones I support terminate the cable very close to the homes. They are Ethernet or ATM from the street back to the headend. Apparently you know everything, and Paul Allen gives you the credibility. You obviously are referencing some SPECIFIC cable termination system doing IMA or actually running on cable back to the headend. I don't know anything about any system that actually runs cable back to the headend. So are you going to educate me on how ALL HFC systems work in your world? Who do you work for Microsoft? They think there is only one software vendor/OS/browser in the world too. You also indicate your level of intelligence by saying your credentials beat mine when you know nothing about me. Oh, but I forgot, you are the HFC/Internet/Computer/Network/SoftwareEngineer who knows every cable providers network and every configuration and every piece of hardware on the planet. At least I've been in the business long enough and I am smart enough to know I don't know everything.

Ok so in clear english.... Yes the current cable modem infrastructure

1. Is incapable of attaining speeds over 10Mb/s

2. Is capable of attaining speeds over 10Mb/s

Btw you mention t1 speeds Mcl. I always thought t1 speeds were 1.5 up and 1.5 down. Is my previous knowledge of t1 speeds wrong?

Seems to me the argument here is unclear. What are you debating over exactly?

No, I mentioned a T1 for $500.

Ahh ok I reread, kind of confusing. Any answers to my other questions though? Im still confused as to who is debating which side. lol And btw yes Japan is awesome as far as connection speed vs. money. The bad side is, your bottlenecked in your connection to the us, and other countries by a oc12 being the only pipeline in or out of the coutnry. I research prices on cable there, and its roughly 32 dollars us for 10Mbps down, and 1mbps up. Which is smokin for 32 bucks. There are a few isps that have close to that in the us though. Optionline in Ny for one. is pretty close to that for around 45 a month. We still may move to Japan at some point, so Im hoping the intercontinent connections improve eventually.