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700m - First Impressions are Disappointing

post #1 of 60
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First, I own a i8600 which I like and use everyday.

First 15 Minute Impression of 700m

Nice, cute size, but white trim looks a little, cheap & plasticky. Opening it, I notice the shiny screen. (Why do people like "shiny" objects?) Oh my, I read that the keyboard was small, but I as touchtyper (45-55 wpm) I would how fast I can type on it because the period and comma keys are about 1/2 the size of the already reduced-sized keys and in an ackward position or cramped in. More plasticky white trim. I noticed a fit & finish problem: the keyboard is skewed in the keyboard hole of the base top. I put my hands on the touchpad and the palmrest area around the touchpad flexs. It raises a durability question.

Pros
Nice small size (maybe too small?)

Cons
Small Keyboard, especially 3/4 sized keys (of already reduced-sized keys): period, comma and arrow keys.
Flex in the touchpad/palmrest area
Plasticky looking white trim --- reevaluation: washing machine white trim.
Poor fit & finish in mounting of keyboard

To be continued...
post #2 of 60
what do you mean by the flex in the touchpad/palmrest area?

i'm sitting in front of my 700m right now and it looks quite sturdy to me...

Also, the keyboard thing bothered me at first but don't worry you'll get used to it.
post #3 of 60
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Originally Posted by damao
the keyboard thing bothered me at first but don't worry you'll get used to it.
I've seen a lot of 700m owners say this. Okay, I know this is gonna start a war, but I'm sayin' it anyway. Here goes:

Why should anyone have to "get used to" a keyboard?

Why can't Dell figure out a way to NOT use 1/2 sized keys on important characters, so users don't have to get used to using a funky keyboard?
post #4 of 60
dude, its all good, opionions are opionions, we all have our own, some are willing to sacrifice some things for others, where as some just arent..i love my 700m, bright shiny screen, half sized keyes surrounded by white "plasticky" border and all
post #5 of 60
LOL, send that dog back to the kennel!
post #6 of 60
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Originally Posted by netspots
I've seen a lot of 700m owners say this. Okay, I know this is gonna start a war, but I'm sayin' it anyway. Here goes:

Why should anyone have to "get used to" a keyboard?

Why can't Dell figure out a way to NOT use 1/2 sized keys on important characters, so users don't have to get used to using a funky keyboard?

well, there's no such thing as a "perfect" laptop, so "get used to it"

good question though..i was wondering the same, but there should be a method to the madness and i guess we, as DELL users, have to get used to it.
post #7 of 60
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Originally Posted by Richard Carver
LOL, send that dog back to the kennel!
Or as they say in Dell-land, that dog don't hunt!
post #8 of 60
Thread Starter 
Second impression -

I opened it up at 2:00 a.m.

With everyones glowing praise, I was given high expectations. I take back the white trim looking plasticky. I looks kind of like the white enamel paint on appliances, like a washing machine. Maybe Dell should have used another color.

On the rightside of the touchpad, there is more flex or give, when compared to my other laptops, ibm, toshiba (used for 1st post), of course they are bigger machines and of course, their other models might be different. They have no flex or give. My 8600 (using now) has a very slight flex/give.

I would have to say the 700m's biggest flaw is the keyboard. The 700m is the same length as 12" ibook or was it the G(?). But apple's keyboard covers the length of it, which means that it has better/normally placed and regular-sized period and comma keys.

Dell could have made the keyboard a .5" wider on each side to have given the 700m a wider keyboard, but not quite as wide as apple's. That would have given it similiar sized keys for the . and ,. I like to use the arrow keys and to use them I have to mush my fingers together The keyboard is for the hands of a 4 or 5 yr old child If your a 6'2" football player or a 6'5" bballer, you ain't gonna use the 700m, but then you're strong enough to carry a 9300 or a xps2 everyday to school.

Then its not a "lapdog"? (Okay, bad pun)
post #9 of 60
I'm 6'7" and I use my 700m everyday. The laptop feels fine to me, and I don't play games so I have no need for anything more then a 700m. I will take it's portability and price anyday instead of complaining about a few small less then perfect features.
post #10 of 60
This point might be moot pretty soon. I've heard that Dell may be coming out with a 14" Widescreen laptop. I'm guessing there will be enough room for a normal sized keyboard with normal sized keys.
post #11 of 60
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Originally Posted by RelaxGuy
I'm 6'7" and I use my 700m everyday. The laptop feels fine to me, and I don't play games so I have no need for anything more then a 700m. I will take it's portability and price anyday instead of complaining about a few small less then perfect features.
Gee, if you're 6'7" I figured you would have big hands, but maybe you don't. Can you palm a basketball? Or maybe I have fat fingers

The point of "complaining" is to make companies make better products. If people stop buying poor quality or designed products, then companies would get the picture. But, by convincing ourselves that we are getting 750 off that we are getting a deal, then we start to put up with imperfections and poor products. Rationalization.

Take your 700m and go look at a ibook/g. Like I said the length of them are the same, but apple designed a better keyboard. Or again, Dell could have added 1/2 inch to each side of the keyboard and have a keyboard with more space. How hard could it have been to do either?

I have not checked Dell's Latittudes, but does their small business notebooks have a scrunched keyboard? I would guess not, because "business" people would not put up it. I'll have a look.

Small imperfections can make a difference. Look a diamonds. Small imperfections that most people can not see with the naked eye, but there is a price and psychological difference. Ask your wife or gf, if she would want a flawed I1 L or flawless IF D diamond. (There are several grades. Most diamonds people buy are flawed.) But, then some girls might not care.
post #12 of 60
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Originally Posted by TechToyz
The point of "complaining" is to make companies make better products. If people stop buying poor quality or designed products, then companies would get the picture.
Bingo.

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Originally Posted by TechToyz
Take your 700m and go look at a ibook/g. Like I said the length of them are the same, but apple designed a better keyboard. Or again, Dell could have added 1/2 inch to each side of the keyboard and have a keyboard with more space. How hard could it have been to do either?
Exactly. I totally agree.
post #13 of 60
Thread Starter 
Upon bootup the cpu fan is on at high speed for a few seconds and thus a little noisy for 5-6 seconds and then it is nice and quiet.

Is the keyboard a deal breaker? It all depends on the user. But, I urge people to demand better products.
post #14 of 60
i actually like the keyboard. I find it nice and compact yet easy to get used to and type on. I have no issues typing long emails or even working on documents for my office. The screen is awesome. I agree with the washing machine white trim though. Kinda cheesed out there.

J.
post #15 of 60
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JulienDogg
i actually like the keyboard. I find it nice and compact yet easy to get used to and type on. I have no issues typing long emails or even working on documents for my office. The screen is awesome. I agree with the washing machine white trim though. Kinda cheesed out there. J.
With normal typing, my right ring finger hits the gap between the . and / keys. You have to make a conscience adjustment of your normal typing.

I have been thinking about getting a 9300 for gaming and checking out the 14" when it comes out...but the white enamel trim is giving me pause. The white on the 9300 must make it look like a big refrigerator??? I think that another color would be look better.

I wonder why did not Dell make the battery the width of the notebook? There is not a reason for allowing access to the two screws back there. Since if you are going to take apart the notebook, you would remove the battery. It would give the 700m a sleeker look. It makes the 8-cell really stick out...as it is.

Being Goldilocks, what does everyone think about a 6-cell battery the width of the notebook? That might have been a nicer size/form factor and giving a decent battery time.
post #16 of 60
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Quote:
Originally Posted by netspots
This point might be moot pretty soon. I've heard that Dell may be coming out with a 14" Widescreen laptop. I'm guessing there will be enough room for a normal sized keyboard with normal sized keys.
I wish that they would come out with a 13"er, that seems like a good compromise in screen size and weight and stick in a decent vid card like sony did with s360.
post #17 of 60
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Originally Posted by TechToyz
I wish that they would come out with a 13"er, that seems like a good compromise in screen size and weight and stick in a decent vid card like sony did with s360.
I came pretty close to buying one of those 13.3" Sony Vaios, but it seemed to run REALLY hot. I decided to stick with Dell (all my computers have been Dells) and go with the 6000. It should be here in a few days. Yeah!
post #18 of 60
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Originally Posted by TechToyz
Gee, if you're 6'7" I figured you would have big hands, but maybe you don't. Can you palm a basketball? Or maybe I have fat fingers
Yeah I can palm a basketball no problem. I still think you complain to much, or have poor hand eye coordination, or maybe you are just fat.

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Originally Posted by TechToyz
The point of "complaining" is to make companies make better products. If people stop buying poor quality or designed products, then companies would get the picture. But, by convincing ourselves that we are getting 750 off that we are getting a deal, then we start to put up with imperfections and poor products. Rationalization.
The 700m is in no way a poor product, if you want something so much better pay the extra 500$ most companies ask for a laptop this size. Maybe you shouldn't demand the best when you are paying the least (comparatively).

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Originally Posted by TechToyz
Take your 700m and go look at a ibook/g. Like I said the length of them are the same, but apple designed a better keyboard. Or again, Dell could have added 1/2 inch to each side of the keyboard and have a keyboard with more space. How hard could it have been to do either?
The keyboard really isn't a big deal at all. I think half of the people on this board look for things to complain about after getting a laptop for a LOT less then anywhere else. If you can do better then do so.

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Originally Posted by TechToyz
I have not checked Dell's Latittudes, but does their small business notebooks have a scrunched keyboard? I would guess not, because "business" people would not put up it. I'll have a look.
Now you just sound stupid. You generalize "buisness people" as if they are more computer savvy, and the only ones who use computers. I will bet you that 80% of buisness people, or people getting buisness majors are completely useless when it comes to computers, or anything really.

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Originally Posted by Techtoyz
Small imperfections can make a difference. Look a diamonds. Small imperfections that most people can not see with the naked eye, but there is a price and psychological difference. Ask your wife or gf, if she would want a flawed I1 L or flawless IF D diamond. (There are several grades. Most diamonds people buy are flawed.) But, then some girls might not care.
Funny you bring up diamonds since they have ABSOLUTELY no value. The only reason people buy them is because they are hard to come by and women seem to instantly fall in love with them. If you want to preach about not buying things because they arn't perfect then this is definitly not the example to use.

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Originally Posted by TechToyz
I wish that they would come out with a 13"er, that seems like a good compromise in screen size and weight and stick in a decent vid card like sony did with s360.
Greed, wishful thinking, whatever you want to call it. You want dell to make a product that sony sells for twice as much for half the price.
post #19 of 60
Unbelievable.

I don't know what else to say.

Just unbelievable.
post #20 of 60
Relaxguy i think you are getting a little to personal with the argument. The fact is no one should pledge allegence to a company, you go for what is the best for your money. And we are on a damn review board, he has every right to complain his ass off.
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