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post #21 of 60
Relaxguy, you're not so relax it seems. Rather the 'yeahh' style. wow, a cow-boy... At least John Wayne wasn't injurious.
post #22 of 60
I personally think relaxguy is insecure with his 700m purchase and just wants to justify his purchase. In my opion "owned a 700m for a portion of time" it aint so hot. Id rather pay more money to get exactly what im looking for. Thinkpads all the way!
post #23 of 60
I have a puppy
post #24 of 60
Hmm. Most of you who are giving relaxguy a hard time for his comments are saying that the thread starter has the right to complain about whatever he wants. This is absolutely true. In that light, anyone else in this thread has every right to debate anything that the original thread poster stated. How can readers get a comprehensive idea if they read a good page of bashing a product, and nobody disagrees with the basher ? I don't think he was getting personal at all. He wrote out a very well thought out post, addressing the authors issues with the notebook and his reasoning for those issues one at a time. Who's says it's an arguement? It's a good, old fashioned debate. I'm all for that!

I have to back up the main point in the "PRO" side of this debate. The 700M is a budget laptop. Sure dell saved a few bucks on it where they could, if they hadn't, we'd be paying the cost of the VAIO for it. .

J.
post #25 of 60
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Originally Posted by winux
I personally think relaxguy is insecure with his 700m purchase and just wants to justify his purchase. In my opion "owned a 700m for a portion of time" it aint so hot. Id rather pay more money to get exactly what im looking for. Thinkpads all the way!

^ I also think that is just childish and completely irrelevent.
Spellcheck anyone? Can you say grammar?
J.
post #26 of 60
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Originally Posted by JulienDogg
Hmm. Most of you who are giving relaxguy a hard time for his comments are saying that the thread starter has the right to complain about whatever he wants. This is absolutely true. In that light, anyone else in this thread has every right to debate anything that the original thread poster stated. How can readers get a comprehensive idea if they read a good page of bashing a product, and nobody disagrees with the basher ? I don't think he was getting personal at all. He wrote out a very well thought out post, addressing the authors issues with the notebook and his reasoning for those issues one at a time. Who's says it's an arguement? It's a good, old fashioned debate. I'm all for that!

I have to back up the main point in the "PRO" side of this debate. The 700M is a budget laptop. Sure dell saved a few bucks on it where they could, if they hadn't, we'd be paying the cost of the VAIO for it. .

J.
Saying someone's argument is "stupid" always causes problems lol.
post #27 of 60
i have two kittens as well...cute little devils, should see them together with my puppy, just a whole lot of cuteness wrapped up into a big ass ball of fur.

wait! what were we talking about?
post #28 of 60
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys & girls for your posts, I was ready to lower the hammer on RG. Since my jr. high days, i have been pretty good at dishing out sarcasm & putdowns, if I receive them. (I do not intentionally initiate). And since some babies dished at me but couldn't handled the blowback, they red repped me, so restraint is in order.

1. I touchtype. If one is able to touchtype, then one does not need to look at the keyboard. Therefore, such a person does not need "good" hand-eye coordination. One could even be blind and type...except on a 700m. I know that there are other notebooks with scrunched . , , and arrow keys, i.e. 10" Averatec, but the 10"er is smaller.

2. I never stated 700m is a "poor" product. Only stated that my first impression was disappointing. Semantically, there is a difference. I never "demanded" the "best." I simply compared and contrasted the 700m and the i/g books. The widths are the same. And i opined that Dell could have increased the width of the keyboard by 1/2 inch on each side. An ibook can be bought for $999. A similiarly spec'ed 700m costs $1377 before discounts. Dell is least expensive only with BIG coupons/deals. Thus, not "ALOT" less.

3. I intentional emphasized "business" because I was not referring to the "typical" business persons, but I was impling "successful," "serious," and "profit-maximizing" ones, where "time is money" and "productivity is important." I did not state or imply that "busines" people are "more computer-savvy." Typing on a keyboard does NOT require "computer-savvy" skills. My girlfriend's 4 year-old nephew uses a computer.

Well, if one goes to a good college or university, then 80% and above should be at least "B" students. I would expect B students to be relatively intelligent. There are alot of average people in the world. And one does not have to be a business major to be "useless."

4. Your statement that diamonds have "ABSOLUTELY" no value is COMPLETELY WRONG. Diamonds are heavy used in certain industries, such as, in cutting and drilling tools that cost thousands of dollars. Diamonds have intrinsic and extrinsic value.

Diamonds are not "hard to come by." Actually, it is possible to make fake flawless diamonds, that a gem expert could not spot with their human eye or loupe. The main reason why nature-formed diamonds are expensive is that the supply is controlled by a monopolist, DeBeers. It is a GOOD example because most diamonds are flawed and people still pay big bucks for them and females still love them. Like people buying flawed notebooks and rationalizating what a "great" notebook it is because he/she got it cheap. It's a Dell, it must be great. But, the evidence that I presented above proves that Dells aren't cheap unless you use a big coupon and probably 90% of Dell's buyers don't use the big coupon. Because there is a limited number of them! It is evident that you're not very good with analogies and at critical thinking.

5. Where did I state that I wanted "Dell to make a product that Sony sells for twice as much for half the price"? I just wished that Dell would make a 13"er instead of a 14"er with a decent video card because I think that it is a good compromise in screen size and weight. I never mentioned a price. But, since people consider Sonys expensive and since Dell sell their notebooks at cheaper prices than Sonys, so naturally it would be cheaper, but where did I state that Dell would sell it at half the price?

Forrest Gump - "Stupid is as stupid does."
post #29 of 60
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JulienDogg
Hmm....I don't think he was getting personal at all. He wrote out a very well thought out post, addressing the authors issues with the notebook and his reasoning for those issues one at a time....
Apparently, people have different standards of etiquette or social class. No comment or see my above post.

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Originally Posted by JulienDogg
I have to back up the main point in the "PRO" side of this debate. The 700M is a budget laptop. Sure dell saved a few bucks on it where they could, if they hadn't, we'd be paying the cost of the VAIO for it. .
J.
It's a nice, inexpensive, if and only if bought with big discount, small notebook with one big flaw, the keyboard, which could have easily and cheaply been prevented.
post #30 of 60
Thread Starter 
Two thumbs up for puppies and kittens.
post #31 of 60
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Originally Posted by TechToyz
Two thumbs up for puppies and kittens.
post #32 of 60
JulianDogg can you say get a life? I typed that in a hurry during work.
post #33 of 60
To start things off, I sent out no negative rep's period. I got quite a few myself for that last post...but then again I could care less.

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Originally Posted by TechToyz
Thanks guys & girls for your posts, I was ready to lower the hammer on RG. Since my jr. high days, i have been pretty good at dishing out sarcasm & putdowns, if I receive them. (I do not intentionally initiate). And since some babies dished at me but couldn't handled the blowback, they red repped me, so restraint is in order.
Heh, bring it. I don't think I put you down, I was mearly adding on to what you already brought up.

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Originally Posted by techtoyz
1. I touchtype. If one is able to touchtype, then one does not need to look at the keyboard. Therefore, such a person does not need "good" hand-eye coordination. One could even be blind and type...except on a 700m. I know that there are other notebooks with scrunched . , , and arrow keys, i.e. 10" Averatec, but the 10"er is smaller.
I just touch typed this entire post on a 700m, I think the keyboard is sufficient. I'm sure my post has pretty poor grammar, but the spelling errors should be few and far between. Chances are if I spelled a word wrong, I didn't know how to spell it in the first place.

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Originally Posted by techtoyz
2. I never stated 700m is a "poor" product. Only stated that my first impression was disappointing. Semantically, there is a difference. I never "demanded" the "best." I simply compared and contrasted the 700m and the i/g books. The widths are the same. And i opined that Dell could have increased the width of the keyboard by 1/2 inch on each side. An ibook can be bought for $999. A similiarly spec'ed 700m costs $1377 before discounts. Dell is least expensive only with BIG coupons/deals. Thus, not "ALOT" less.
Yes ALOT less. I'm sure you, and 95% of the people on this board used a coupon to buy this laptop. An ibook for 999$ has 1ghz,256megs,30gig.cdrw/dvd, a 700m with ANY of the 750$ coupons (or the better ones) will at most cost 750$. Add tax and the 700m now costs >25% less than the nearest competitor. I'll keep my 250+$, thanks.
Dell is very clever, they of course try to lure in people with the HUGE coupon discounts. Dell is the number one computer supplier around, period, call their tactics what you want but no one markets better then they do. You compare two things where the price is not even close to the same, and then complain how the lower priced item is inferior to the other.

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Originally Posted by TechToyz
3. I intentional emphasized "business" because I was not referring to the "typical" business persons, but I was impling "successful," "serious," and "profit-maximizing" ones, where "time is money" and "productivity is important." I did not state or imply that "busines" people are "more computer-savvy." Typing on a keyboard does NOT require "computer-savvy" skills. My girlfriend's 4 year-old nephew uses a computer.
First, everyone in the buisness field wants to be successful, but then again who doesn't. Being a hardworker doesn't always get you to the top, and the US is one of the least productive economic powers in the world. My 6 month old son bangs on the keyboard, and by the time he's 1 I'll make sure he knows why SRAM is used over DRAM, and why non-volatile memory still needs time to mature before it can be substituted for the cheap and popular volatile type , big deal.

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Originally Posted by Techtoyz
Well, if one goes to a good college or university, then 80% and above should be at least "B" students. I would expect B students to be relatively intelligent. There are alot of average people in the world. And one does not have to be a business major to be "useless."
It requires very little intelligence to go to a university. All it really takes is a LITTLE bit of effort and some money. Let's talk averages. Guess what? Over 70% of students who go to a university major in...yup, buisness. That makes them average right there. 'B' students, once again average. So now you have average people getting average grades getting an average degree. Also, at most universities students in the buisness program have higher GPA's then say medical, or engineering students, but it's not because they are more intelligent, but because they have an easier curiculum. Even if they get a 4.0, they are still just average, and GPA or career success holds absolutely no relevance to intelligence. You are right about one thing though, tons of people are useless, and technically shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

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Originally Posted by techtoyz
4. Your statement that diamonds have "ABSOLUTELY" no value is COMPLETELY WRONG. Diamonds are heavy used in certain industries, such as, in cutting and drilling tools that cost thousands of dollars. Diamonds have intrinsic and extrinsic value.
Diamonds do have intrinsic value, but only because there is a market for them. They are only worth money because people find them nice to look at, and they are used in some cutting and drilling areas. Most of the 'diamond tipped' drill bits and such that a normal consumer can buy are the usual marketing mumbo-jumbo. Larger operations use other materials, specifically ones that are harder then diamonds. SO I'll assume 90% of diamond's sold end up on a woman's finger, or around a rapper's neck.

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Originally Posted by techtoyz
Diamonds are not "hard to come by." Actually, it is possible to make fake flawless diamonds, that a gem expert could not spot with their human eye or loupe. The main reason why nature-formed diamonds are expensive is that the supply is controlled by a monopolist, DeBeers. It is a GOOD example because most diamonds are flawed and people still pay big bucks for them and females still love them. Like people buying flawed notebooks and rationalizating what a "great" notebook it is because he/she got it cheap. It's a Dell, it must be great. But, the evidence that I presented above proves that Dells aren't cheap unless you use a big coupon and probably 90% of Dell's buyers don't use the big coupon. Because there is a limited number of them! It is evident that you're not very good with analogies and at critical thinking.
Diamonds are rare, period. What I don't understand is you say that real diamonds are in high demand, but then you add that fake diamond's somehow make real diamonds easier to come by. Two different markets buddy. Yeah there are fake ones, but no one wants them. Buy your significant other a say, wedding ring with a fake diamond, and see how it makes he/she feel, and tell me when you get that divorce. Most diamonds are flawed, but they are sold for looks alone and the average person only inspects the diamond at the time of purchase anyways. From 5 feet away most diamonds look quite alike. By the way I have some magic fake apples that never go rotten, only 5 easy payments of 99.99 each. They look just like the real thing, I swear. If someone doesn't have the intelligence to shop around for 5 minutes (since there are 10,000,000 deal websites now) then dell deserves to get all their money. Dell banks on people being ignorant, and if people fall into their trap they have only themselves to blame. Dell's marketing is genius, but I don't think their products are good because of the name. I went with what was cheapest yet still fits my needs. It just so happened to be a 700m, if Sony want's to make a cheaper small notebook I'll jump ship in a heart beat. I have no alliance with any corporation, I have an alliance with my wallet. Critically think about that.

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Originally Posted by Techtoyz
5. Where did I state that I wanted "Dell to make a product that Sony sells for twice as much for half the price"? I just wished that Dell would make a 13"er instead of a 14"er with a decent video card because I think that it is a good compromise in screen size and weight. I never mentioned a price. But, since people consider Sonys expensive and since Dell sell their notebooks at cheaper prices than Sonys, so naturally it would be cheaper, but where did I state that Dell would sell it at half the price?
You say specifically in another post, "Why can't dell make a 13" with a good video card like sony?" Sony laptops do sell for almost double a similar dell would sell for. So you want dell to make a laptop that sony already makes. If the Sony is such a good weight/performance compromise then buy that. The only reason you haven't is because you are waiting for dell to make the same thing, but only cheaper.

To whoever said that I'm not very relaxed you better calm down. I just got sick of seeing people complain about the same thing so I had to flex my pimp hand.

Quote:
Forrest Gump - "Stupid is as stupid does."
I didn't DO anything except respond to you, here's a nice present for you.
Quote:
"Talk sense to a fool, and he calls you foolish"
-Euripides

"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity."
-Harlan Ellison
Amen to that
post #34 of 60
I thought I would make a second post to take care of the let's jump on RelaxGuy bandwagon.

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Originally Posted by iome
And we are on a damn review board, he has every right to complain his ass off.
So do I.

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Originally Posted by akro
Relaxguy, you're not so relax it seems. Rather the 'yeahh' style. wow, a cow-boy... At least John Wayne wasn't injurious.
John Wayne, was an actor, not a cowboy, and either am I. He grew up in California I believe and went to USC. I have no idea what your 'yeahh' style is, stop doing drugs.

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Originally Posted by Winux
I personally think relaxguy is insecure with his 700m purchase and just wants to justify his purchase. In my opion "owned a 700m for a portion of time" it aint so hot. Id rather pay more money to get exactly what im looking for. Thinkpads all the way!
Thanks for judging me based on one post. Personally, I am in no way insecure about the size of my...laptop. Try again.

Thanks guys, I had fun with this, but now I'm bored so I probably won't respond again.
post #35 of 60
Sure John Wayne was an actor but he's not specially famous about the barmaid or baby-sitter characters he played.
My only drug is, unfortunately, tobacco and some wine or beer from time to time. It will be hard to stop all that.
Anyway, I just tried to express I felt you came a bit injurious and rude, but nothing special against you. From here rightnow, just a peace pipe, if you want to try it...
post #36 of 60
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Originally Posted by Akro
From here rightnow, just a peace pipe, if you want to try it...
Oh Hell Yeah!! Puff, Puff pass bro, I'll take a hit of that
post #37 of 60
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Originally Posted by mrrick
Oh Hell Yeah!! Puff, Puff pass bro, I'll take a hit of that
I'm down with that, no hard feelings.
post #38 of 60
Yay you said 95% of you used a coupon, so I guess im in the 5% There were no coupons the time I ordered
post #39 of 60
Geeezzzz... It's just a laptop dude. You are fighting and arguing over something you bought and now you are not happy. So, the solution is simple. Return it, get what you want and move on. People just like to complain because life would be without meaning if they found nothing to complain about. Just like me complaining about a complainer. The argument that if people demand a better product they would put out a better one is nonsense. The purpose of business is to make money. If they do something that is perfect they won't make any money out of it because it won't break down, it won't make them richer and they would go out of business. So... you get what you paid for. Not happy? Get something else and leave the 700m for those who are happy with them.

Dell won't change anything to make it better. Cheaper and affordable yes. And still banking on service and warranties. That is their gold mine. Customer Care. It;s cheaper and it ties you over for 3 years or more. Notice how now they offer 90 day warranties with their systems. Remember the 5150's? Those were solid. Hot but solid builds. Then came 5160s? and that was a bad updgrade. How about the first batch of 6000i? Later they added dedicated graphics. So on and so forth. Try to find an 8600c, that was solid. 6000d, bad move. Nice but I will take 8600c anytime.

So smoke the peace pipe. Stop your whining and enjoy your lappie. Don't like it? Try another company. I bet you chose Dell for the affordability. Getting a lappie for less than a 1K ain't too shabby.
post #40 of 60
Thread Starter 
FYI,

I check Dell's 'business' laptops:

Latitude X1's period and comma keys are not smaller than the other keys. link

Latitude D410's period and comma keys are not smaller than the other keys.link

Could Dell have used the same keyboard from the X1?

They have better video card, too. 900 GMAa
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