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Ergonomics anyone?

post #1 of 12
1/21/03 at 5:06pm
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I noticed that with all the chatter going back and forth about tech specs, etc. (and it's good chatter for sure!) no one has brought up the issue of ergonomics.

Can the folks with 5660s and 8886s provide a little feedback of what it actually feels like to use these babies over the long haul? Sure no laptop keyboard can compete with a desktop keyboard designed by some guy with an MD in his title, but some lappy keys are better (and freakin' way worse) than others.

Anyone?
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post #2 of 12
1/21/03 at 8:37pm

5660 is fine

my only complaint is the function key where the control key should be (far left bottom corner), which I understand is the same on the 8886. I use the control key a lot and the function key, um, never. to have to look to find the control key sucks, but is not a problem unique to Sagers, unfortunately. The screen looks great and the touchpad and keyboard are great generally. Despite the heat, I also find it comfortable to use even directly on my lap with nothing but clothing in between it and my legs. Mine doesn't get hot enough to burn me or singe my clothes that way.
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post #3 of 12
1/21/03 at 8:39pm

oh yeah

like you, I also have trouble finding the "any" key.
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post #4 of 12
1/21/03 at 9:02pm
I have the same sentiments too. Things like the chassis build and colours don't really bother me - but I don't quite understand how this swapping of CTRL and FN keys could have been changed in some notebooks to that of a desktop keyboard. This has been a sore point for myself - and as silly as it sounds, it is a basis for my deciding between notebook makers. I nearly decided not to get the Sager (duh!) and go for the DELL instead on account that DELL notebooks place the CTRL and FN keys in the right places. However, the clincher that made me change my mind was the discovery of a wonderful - and free - program from PCMagazine that allows me to remap keys easily. It's called Tradekeys and I've posted up the URL here before - it'll solve the problem quite handily.


Rob
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post #5 of 12
1/21/03 at 11:49pm
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Originally posted by Wzierbovsky
I have the same sentiments too. Things like the chassis build and colours don't really bother me - but I don't quite understand how this swapping of CTRL and FN keys could have been changed in some notebooks to that of a desktop keyboard. This has been a sore point for myself - and as silly as it sounds, it is a basis for my deciding between notebook makers. I nearly decided not to get the Sager (duh!) and go for the DELL instead on account that DELL notebooks place the CTRL and FN keys in the right places. However, the clincher that made me change my mind was the discovery of a wonderful - and free - program from PCMagazine that allows me to remap keys easily. It's called Tradekeys and I've posted up the URL here before - it'll solve the problem quite handily.


Rob
cool man, I'm going to figure out how to do that
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post #6 of 12
1/22/03 at 5:59am
Ergonomically, I like my ibm thinkpad better, the key depression length is far shorter so I think its easier to type ... the fact that I'm lying down on the couch also wins it some brownie points.

I'd like a sager better since it wouldn't have the stupid trackpoint (very good way to kill your finger), and the keys would be bigger (but the depression the same).
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post #7 of 12
1/22/03 at 6:05am
OK - found the original thread; right here:

http://sagerforums.com/forums/showth...ighlight=remap


Rob

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Originally posted by erisalit32
cool man, I'm going to figure out how to do that
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post #8 of 12
1/22/03 at 6:07am
I had an IBM Thinkpad for a year, and you're absolutely right - the keypads in those Thinkpads are Godsends; I actually enjoy typing on them more than on a desktop keyboard.

As for the trackpoint, IMO, I prefer using the trackpoint rather than the trackpad (my finger seems to be still working too!). This was one of those benefits of buying the Dell I8200 I was thinking about - it had both the trackpoint and trackpad.


Rob

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Originally posted by mrdeep
Ergonomically, I like my ibm thinkpad better, the key depression length is far shorter so I think its easier to type ... the fact that I'm lying down on the couch also wins it some brownie points.

I'd like a sager better since it wouldn't have the stupid trackpoint (very good way to kill your finger), and the keys would be bigger (but the depression the same).
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post #9 of 12
1/22/03 at 10:52am
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Hands-on

Very good points all! Just curious- does anyone know if any retail chains carry Sager, or whatever Clevo rebrand so that you can actually get your hands on one of these guys?

Hey PCTORQUE- you folks don't have trial models do you?

-J
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post #10 of 12
1/22/03 at 10:59am

Re: Hands-on

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Originally posted by only1miller
Very good points all! Just curious- does anyone know if any retail chains carry Sager, or whatever Clevo rebrand so that you can actually get your hands on one of these guys?

Hey PCTORQUE- you folks don't have trial models do you?

-J
We've had locals come by and try them out, but other than that, the 30 day money back is as close as we get to a trial =)
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post #11 of 12
1/22/03 at 11:43am
The ergonomics of the 8886 are great IMO. I mentioned in my review many times about the palm rest area and how comfy it was. I also love the depression of the keys on that keyboard... I've never used a thinkpad, though. And, finally, the ctrl vs fn buttons are thing with many laptops. All of the laptops at UD have that, so I'm used to it, lol. Best of luck!
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post #12 of 12
1/22/03 at 1:29pm

keyboard

Personally I have yet to find a laptop keyboard that I like to use. I always have a desktop keyboard attached to my lappie unless I am otg. The tradekeys program is a god send for when I must use the lappie keyboard.
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