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post #101 of 152
The reason the notebook knows what the temps are is the same reason that your car knows how hot the engine is running... there are thermostats.

My notebook never gets below 45 degrees C. If it does, the fans all turn off until it's above 55 C, then they turn on again. When gaming, I've gotten almost to 90 degrees C (89, if I remember correctly). That's with no OC.
I've never OC'd (I've never done drugs either).

-Ransom
post #102 of 152
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ransomed1
The reason the notebook knows what the temps are is the same reason that your car knows how hot the engine is running... there are thermostats.

My notebook never gets below 45 degrees C. If it does, the fans all turn off until it's above 55 C, then they turn on again. When gaming, I've gotten almost to 90 degrees C (89, if I remember correctly). That's with no OC.
I've never OC'd (I've never done drugs either).

-Ransom
Pretty sure there is no thermostat in a laptop, but thermal sensor yes..

Anyways, Im working on a 4006 for a client and the fan seems to run rather fast and loud when its first started and cold. It sounds like the high speed mode when my laptop heats up. When I first setup the 4006 I don't remember the fan coming on so strong when it was cold, any reasons for the fan to run continuously like that?
post #103 of 152
I'm changing the OS over to 32bit.

I installed amd powerNow, but there is no icon in the control panel, are there settings you can adjust? I installed the dashboard and things seem to be working alright, but the fan is still LOUD.

Has anybody tried installing cool'n quiet? or ss that for desktop mobos only.
post #104 of 152

BlueTooth problem

When I install the blueTooth driver it says no device found but you can continue with the installation. In devicer manager it shows an Acer Module as an unkown device when blue tooth is enabled, so Im assuming the driver did not load correctly. I have no blueTooth device to test it, has anybody else had to reinstall the blueTooth driver in XP Pro?
post #105 of 152
Got the bluetooth to work, found a suggestion in a diff forum to use drivers from a different acer laptop, and they worked.
post #106 of 152
The 5.0.1.1200 Bluetooth drivers for the 8204 WLMi appear to work on the Ferrari. The Ferrari uses Broadcom's Bluetonium 2035 single chip solution. The 81xx had the same chip.

https://www.synapsenow.com/synapse/d...TM8200_BTW.zip

Benefits: Widcomm BT stack = a lot more features (i.e. BT Internet sharing). If you want to surf the Net on your PDA by sharing your notebooks LAN this makes it possible.

Enjoy!
post #107 of 152
Love digging up old threads, lol. I have a question. If I use RMClock to undervolt my Ferrari 4000 is there a way I can backup the settings so that when I format I don't lose everything?

Edit: I didn't realise I would only have to remember 2 numbers, sorry.

ALSO: I got my Ferrari set to: 0.925V - 1.325V and its survived Prime95

I can feel it getting cooler already
post #108 of 152
Is it(rmclock) bugged, it shows cpu core at 2000mhz at idle, and AMDclock shows 800mhz.

Also, is there a fix for the clock jumping around under load? I thought I saw something but haven't been able to find it.
post #109 of 152
Fan noise really is a problem with this machine. At my office we have now bought four Ferraris, because we think it's an excellent machine in other ways. But as the fan noise problem is still not solved, and especially Acer support do not care at all, we will now buy other machines in the future.
post #110 of 152
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodguy
Fan noise really is a problem with this machine. At my office we have now bought four Ferraris, because we think it's an excellent machine in other ways. But as the fan noise problem is still not solved, and especially Acer support do not care at all, we will now buy other machines in the future.

Are you speaking of the latest Ferrari model? It is normal for them to run at a low speed at idle.
post #111 of 152
Thread Starter 
Even when undervolting and at idle, my laptop fans are always on at the lowest setting. Unless i'm in a totally quiet room i don't notice it. I haven't experienced any problems with the machine yet and hopefully it remains so.
post #112 of 152
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodguy
Fan noise really is a problem with this machine. At my office we have now bought four Ferraris, because we think it's an excellent machine in other ways. But as the fan noise problem is still not solved, and especially Acer support do not care at all, we will now buy other machines in the future.
Make sure under power options that you have portable/laptop selected. With other options the processor may not idle down and then fan noise would be a problem.
post #113 of 152

Questions

I am not willing rather wishing to purchase this machine. I belive that its getting obsolete now, anyhow I want it.

Please tell me, can I use it as desktop replacement?

Like I attach my 17" Monitor, old keyboard and mouse with machine, when I am using it in my home and just put it in bag when go out side? If yes, then Please tell me that does connecting external monitor cause any problem? Does it reduce performance? as VGA now have to support two display at a time.

HEAT, I just threw off my desktop

2.8 Ghz HT
1GB Ram DDR (440Mhz or so)
120 GB SATA around 7000 RPM
Nvidia Fx-5200 (128MB)
Lan, etc

That used to get hot and was not reliable at all, I tried everything on that, but never fixed any problem. I remember maximum was 80C, inner temperature of processor and maximum for overal was around 60C.

So I was just wondering about 70C issue, I live in Pakistan and its prety hot here. Can I play BF2 or C&C Zero Hour continiously for long time?

Will it cause any hardware problem, if I play too much, while my machine is getting hot. Will it cause to melt down rubber near touch pad?

If I get it some how, I will try not to mess up with its looks. Rustican after one year or so, does your machine looks odd now? you were talking about that some kind of color was getting off from keyboard?

I am very rough user and it will be my first LAPTOP, I am in habbit of keeping my machine 24-hours a day on, I have WiFi setup already installed and willing to use that too.

What does that silver box do? that Acer shows during its virtual tour, saying that Acer-Ferrari 4000 can be used as desktop replacement?

Can I change the VGA card, RAM, HD ? TO X1600, 667MHZ, 7600 RPM?

what does that PC Card SLot do? What kind of cards can be fixed in?

Please also send one notification on colagent@gmail.com or mr.syedrizwan@gmail.com as I am willing to have some more information, regarding this machine. I was basically interested in Acer Aspire 5670, and was reading its reviews, so just got an idea to read its reviews too, people were not happy with heating problem of that system. Please tell me that does performance goes down when it heats?

I was just wondering that it has got only 1MB chache and Memory speed is only 333MHz, how can it compete with computers having greater chache and greater memory speed and having 7-Series Nvidia.

I have seen some old notebooks, they have native resolution, if you adjust lower or higher resolution, other than they are designed for they will mess up with resolution and will not show good results, is it the same case with Acer Ferrari too? IF yes? then what is the best resolution for it, I belive that for 15" screen more than 1024*768 resolution will be difficult to manage.


My total budget is $1250. I think I will be able to have it.

Thanks In Advance.
post #114 of 152
Thread Starter 
You can easily use the Ferrari as a mid-range desktop replacement. The video card, an ATI x700 128MB is getting up in age but still plays most current games quite well. The Turion cpu is also still quite capable for basic needs like web surfing, emailing as well as more intensive ones like video and music encoding.

The Ferrari also has 1 x VGA, 1 x DVI, 1 x S-Video TV-out ports so attaching your 17" monitor to it is not a problem. The video card can handel an external monitor with out a reduction in performance. I've extended my desktop by connecting my ferrari to both my extra monitor and my TV through s-video. I have not tried using the Ferrari LCD and then hooking up 2 more monitors through the VGA and DVI port so i don't know what if any issues will be. Also i have not tried extending my desktop ( using 2 monitors) while gameing.

As for the heat question. I've played Guild Wars, Half Life 2 and Wow for hours at a time. The Ferrari will get hot, espceially when playing HL2 on high settings. I use a cooling pad to keep the heat down. I also undervolted with the cpu with the RMClock utility for better cooling. After a few hours gameing the temp on the cpu hovers at around 64C. If you are an avid gamer i suggest you get a cooling pad. The Ferrari sucks air from the bottom and blows it to the left side. Get a cooling pad that blows up. I have not heard of the Ferrari melting it's case because of heat.

If you're thinking of buying new, consider buying the Ferrari 5000 instead for the latest hardware. Buying a new Ferrari 4000 seems expensive now if you compare the hardware with other systems out there. If you can find a good used one i would opt for that instead.


Quote:
Originally Posted by colagent
I am not willing, just wishing to purchase this machine. I belive that its getting obolete now, anyhow I want it.

Please tell me, can I use it as desktop replacement?

Like I attach my 17" Monitor, old keyboard and mouse with machine, when I am using it in my home and just put it in bag when go out side? If yes, then Please tell me that does connecting external monitor cause any problem? Does it reduce performance? as VGA now have to support two display at a time.

HEAT, I just threw off my desktop

2.8 Ghz HT
1GB Ram DDR (440Mhz or so)
120 GB SATA around 7000 RPM
Nvidia Fx-5200 (128MB)
Lan, etc

That used to get hot and was not reliable at all, I tried everything on that, but never fixed any problem. I remember maximum was 80C, inner temperature of processor and maximum for overal was around 60C.

So I was just wondering about 70C issue, I live in Pakistan and its prety hot here. Can I play BF2 or C&C Zero Hour for continious long time?

Will it cause any hardware problem, if I play too much, while my machine is getting hot. Will it cause to melt down rubber near touch pad?
post #115 of 152
Thread Starter 
i'm not familiar with the silver box term. I'll have to check the Acer site for that. I do agree that the Ferrari can be used as a mid-level desktop replacement.

You can not change the videocard. As with most laptops changing the vid card is almost impossible since latter cards will use more power produce more heat and need specific cooling and bios settings.

The RAM, Hard Drive and wireless card are easily accessable and are a quick upgrade. You can also upgrade the cpu but it takes a lot of work and only an experienced person should attempt it.

The Ferrari has a PCMCIA card slot. It's for add on devices, like a tv tuner or a high end sound card. There are other cards out there just look around.

Heat will degrade your system through time. Electronics run better when they are cool and have good airflow through the case. If parts get too hot you'll start to see your system shutting down to keep from overheating and permanently damaging the hardware.

The AMD cpus low cache is compensated by the fact that the memory controler is on the chip itself. This increases the memory managment of the chip insuring that the cpu is always getting the data it needs.

Intel chips have large caches because they have a bottleneck in the FSB. The larger cache insures that the cpu has the data it needs even through it's memory throughput is poorer than the AMD design.

As for memory speeds, The Ferrari uses DDR memory and Intel uses DDR2. DDR2 has faster memory but higher latency. DDR is slower but lower latency. So performance wise there is little difference until DDR2 memory speeds get more and more faster.

Quote:
Originally Posted by colagent

What does that silver box do? that Acer shows during its virtual tour, saying that Acer-Ferrari 4000 can be used as desktop replacement?

Can I change the VGA card, RAM, HD ? TO X1600, 667MHZ, 7600 RPM?

what does that PC Card SLot do? What kind of cards can be fixed in?

Please also send one notification on colagent@gmail.com or mr.syedrizwan@gmail.com as I am willing to have some more information, regarding this machine. I was basically interested in Acer Aspire 5670, and was reading its reviews, so just got an idea to read its reviews too, people were not happy with heating problem of that system. Please tell me that does performance goes down when it heats?

I was just wondering that it has got only 1MB chache and Memory speed is only 333MHz, how can it compete with computers having greater chache and greater memory speed and having 7-Series Nvidia.

My total budget is $1250. I think I will be able to have it.
post #116 of 152
Quote:
Originally Posted by synapse46
Make sure under power options that you have portable/laptop selected. With other options the processor may not idle down and then fan noise would be a problem.
We are using Ferrari 4005. Using Notebook Hardware Control, I can see that CPU is running at 800MHz. The fan is running on the first level. Problem is that even on the first level, the fan gives far too much noise.

The CPU temp normally is around 43C, so the fan do not have to spin as fast as it does. But there is no ways to slow it down that I know of.

We have four machines and all of them have the same annoying noise levels.
post #117 of 152

I love it

My 3400 has been my desktop replacement at work and home for a little over a year now. Im a consultant/tech/programmer and I use in the field as well. The guys i work with got me hooked on WoW and I play atleast 2hrs a day on the Ferrari. I usually have it on an aluminum stand or cooling pad at home.

I setup a 4005 for a lawyer and I noticed the fan ran continiously, but I didn't find it to be an annoyance and the lawyer did not complain either. I suppose it depends on ambient noise and how sensitive you are to it.
post #118 of 152
Thanks for your suggestions, but here because of its looks Ferrari 4000 is still around $2000 from original Acer dealer, so I wonder how expensive 5000 would be, I never heared any such name in local market but found out on internet, YES Ferrari 5000 has got X1600 and better speed ram that, but looks like 4000, that is why I was thinking that it might be possible to upgrade 4000 series to 5000, here is another Ferrari 1000 in market, but that is too expensive for me, that is around US $2500 here, and will not like smaller laptop with external CD-Drive, thanks for your advise, I will see if I can find nice price for 4005, that is commonly avialable here.

I do'nt konw one thing, here people often says that ACER Ferrari is not good, I am talking about sellers, when I talked to them they were more happy in seeling DELL or any other brand than ACER, they were also disgracing local brands,

In Pakistan we have two or three local brands too. Named As Raffels, inbox etc.

Still one month to go, so just wondering what to purchase, a person from whom I have been purchasing desktops for around 10 years, and have replaced 5 or so Desktops is happy with Acer, he is basically Acer Dealler over here.

He also suggested me Acer Aspire 5502-ZWXMi. He said that it is cheaper choice to go for, as it has got ATI-X700 but I have found out that this card has got 64MB ram. But he can proivde me system for around US$650.

Any body has some idea regarding this computer? Just thinking, as mostly ferrari users are proud, happy and satisfied with their system.

I am really sorry to ask, But I don't know at all, as I am too new in Laptops. What is cooling pad? how does it look like and is it any electrnic device? or just a stand or what? what are the positive and some negative points of that pad. I will request you to teach me undervolting once I purchase it.
post #119 of 152
and Can any one tell, roughly? how fast/strong or how slow/weak it will be in comparison of my older desktop.

2.8 Ghz HT
1GB RAM DDR
1M Cache
Nvidia Fx 5200 (128MB)
120GB SATA

Please to tell me; I will be grateful.
post #120 of 152
Thread Starter 
The Acer Ferrari 5000 is currently listed at 2249.99 at ZipZoomFly. http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=265291

This is the price in the US so i don't know what the prices would be in your area.

You can not upgrade the Ferrari 4000 to a Ferrari 5000. While the styling llooks the same, the internal hardware is very different. The Ferrari 5000 uses the Turion X2 dual core cpu and the ATI x1600. The Ferrari 4000 uses a single core Turion and x700. You would have to change out the entire mother board and internals and even then the cases are not the same. Notice how the F4000 has the fan vents on the left while the F5000 has the fan vents on the right. Upgrading is simply impossible.

I don't know why Acer's reputation is bad where you are. As far as the feed back in these forums go the feed back from the users has been positive. There are som instances of heat and sound issues but for the most part the Ferrari series has had a good reputation.

Dell makes the most affordable systems that i can tell. No matter what computer you get though, make sure you have the warrenty with it. There is always the possibility that something goes bad no matter who the manufacturer is.

I only saw of a review of the Acer Aspire 5502-ZWXMi found HERE

It only has a 14" screen, 512 MB of RAM, 60Gig Hd, x700 64MB and a PM 1.7 Ghz. The price though seems fair.


The Ferrari 4000 has:
15" screen, 1gig ram, 100 Gig Hd x700 128MB and a Turion 2.0Ghz for around $2000. I think it's overpriced for the hardware now. For that amount of money you can get a newer dual core machine with a better grafics card. Or you can spend an extra $250 and get the Ferrari 5000 which is close to double the grafics performance with it's x1600 and Turion X2.

I don't recommend you buy the Ferrari 4000 new at a $2000 price. You could probably spend $1000 on a good desktop gameing rig and the other $1000 for a decent laptop.

A cool pad is a pad that has fand that you put your laptop on. It keeps the laptop cool. It is powered by either USB or an AC jack. One example is found HERE

There are various undervolting examples in the forums. Just look around. I believe there have been newer version of RMClock released since i last time i installed it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by colagent
Thanks for your suggestions, but here because of its looks Ferrari 4000 is still around $2000 from original Acer dealer, so I wonder how expensive 5000 would be, I never heared any such name in local market but found out on internet, YES Ferrari 5000 has got X1600 and better speed ram that, but looks like 4000, that is why I was thinking that it might be possible to upgrade 4000 series to 5000, here is another Ferrari 1000 in market, but that is too expensive for me, that is around US $2500 here, and will not like smaller laptop with external CD-Drive, thanks for your advise, I will see if I can find nice price for 4005, that is commonly avialable here.

I do'nt konw one thing, here people often says that ACER Ferrari is not good, I am talking about sellers, when I talked to them they were more happy in seeling DELL or any other brand than ACER, they were also disgracing local brands,

In Pakistan we have two or three local brands too. Named As Raffels, inbox etc.

Still one month to go, so just wondering what to purchase, a person from whom I have been purchasing desktops for around 10 years, and have replaced 5 or so Desktops is happy with Acer, he is basically Acer Dealler over here.

He also suggested me Acer Aspire 5502-ZWXMi. He said that it is cheaper choice to go for, as it has got ATI-X700 but I have found out that this card has got 64MB ram. But he can proivde me system for around US$650.

Any body has some idea regarding this computer? Just thinking, as mostly ferrari users are proud, happy and satisfied with their system.

I am really sorry to ask, But I don't know at all, as I am too new in Laptops. What is cooling pad? how does it look like and is it any electrnic device? or just a stand or what? what are the positive and some negative points of that pad. I will request you to teach me undervolting once I purchase it.
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