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post #41 of 59
looks like any built on Asus Laptop is far superior as you can actually UPGRADE the CPU! my laptop supports all 400FSB dothan and banias CPU's, currently i have a 1.6GHz dothan but i can upgrade it to a 2.13 also my laptop supports PC2100, PC2700 and PC3200 Ram.
post #42 of 59
ugh....thats not a skyline, thats a Tommy Kaira GTR R34
post #43 of 59
LOL the R34 IS a skyline TK only modded it, the mines skyline is cooler anyways or the ZZII

the ZZII is the equivalent of a laptop with

Quad 128bit cell processors @ 1THz
64 TB Ram
4 x 4XB Solidstate Micro drives in Raid 5
Dual slim slotload 16x blueray burners
Dual 100Gigabit lan
Wireless ABGN WLAN (200Mbit wireless)
Bluetooth 3.0
Vairiable sized holographic projection display (no lcd)
laser projection Keyboard
post #44 of 59
Thread Starter 
OS X is a nice system, meaning the looks, I don't know if it crashes every minute or not... Btw, I wouldn't imagine it does since most of the schools, including mine *franklin and marshall* recommends powerbooks. Am I wrong?

Why would anyone hate apple so much?
post #45 of 59
People hate what they don't understand.
post #46 of 59
os x is a ok os, stability wise its equal to winxp pro sp2. the crashes aren't very frequent, but they occur once in a while


and i know GTR34 is a skyline (i believe supercharged flat 6 with AWD....i might be wrong). and yes, the ZZII owns all
post #47 of 59
I had one crash in OSX 10.0. I've had no other problems and I've used it since the beta. In the three years I've also had a windows XP machine, I've averaged more problems in a month than I have in five years of OSX.
post #48 of 59
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Originally Posted by abf
os x is a ok os, stability wise its equal to winxp pro sp2. the crashes aren't very frequent, but they occur once in a while
Surely you're joking. XP locked up, crashed on me, failed to wake from sleep, etc etc etc... ALL of the time. OSX? Nope. I've received one crash with this computer (someone needed me to put some stuff on their external and the file system they were using was screwy), ever, and have never had a lock-up. If only I could say that about XP from the first week I had it on my last laptop.
post #49 of 59
i can't say XP is perfect, but from day to day usage it is pretty stable. only cases where it locks up is usually the fault of the software i will be using at the time (most frequently caused by Gaim, Firefox and GTA:SA...which ironically enough are my 3 most used apps). From my experience Panther is rather stable, (haven't tried Tiger yet) but it has locked up on me quite a few times while using this software: IE, Firefox, Powerpoint, Word, Fire (IM client), and just for the hell of it because I ran one app too many.

The OS i had the least stability issues on: Ubuntu Linux Hoary. It doesn't lock up, doesn't anything! The "Force Quit" feature works like it should (on Panther i had Firefox lock up, and then when i tried to FQ, the FQ menu locked up too), the only real "problem" i have in ubuntu is firefox, but that is because the version i have installed is a bit screwey
post #50 of 59
Running Premier on XP with 512 ram was a disaster. When rendering, something as simple as a click on something else could cause the whole app to crash. On OSX with fcp, with 512 ram, I can render, burn a cd, listen to music, and browse the web without any slowdown or crashing.

I can go down a list of things that are intensely more productive and stable when in the OSX environment compared to XP. Yes, XP is much better than 2000, ME, 98, etc. But it still has a lot of work to go.

For fun, I opened every app in my dock once (over 20). On 512 ram, it slowed down some on expose on the first attempt, but was fluid on the second. But, everything was still accessible and my computer didn't start crying. So, I view that as a very good thing and something I was never able to do while growing up on Windows and having to constantly hack, fix, or repair things that went wrong by doing normal functions (much less extreme tests).
post #51 of 59
Ok so I am going to try and get back to the main topic here.

Shirley -
700m by Dell is a pretty good laptop, I have heard that battery life might be an issue as it gives 2 - 2.5 hours. But really apart from that the only major problem that I can see is the keyboard, but if you are willing to live with that then go for it.

Now with Apple what you get is a great looking well designed computer, the OS (to the best of ) my knowledge also works fine certainly no worse than Win XP. The major problem with Macs is that for the price you pay you get underpowered hardware. For the same price you buy a much more powerful Windows system. Also, while I have not heard of any Mac-to-Win compatibility issues there have been some issues over moving stuff from Win machines to Mac machines. Also if you aren't using a Mac right now then you will have to deal with some issues while getting used to the Mac interface. For example when I was using a Mac and I wanted to copy some text I would instinctly press Ctrl+C instead of the 'apple+c'. However most of these problems will disappear as you get used to the Mac environment.

I personally like Macs a lot. Every thing that Apple does has a very distinctive visual flair to it which I love. Macs draw attention to themselves. But for an average run of the mill user I would always recommend a Windows machine. You are already familiar with it, will have 0 cross compatibility issues, almost anything computer related will work on it and also it will cost you less. Considering you are a college student I would recommend going with the 700m.

edit:- Remember this though that Win XP has to be one of the worst designed commercial OS out there. Have to agree with Frank here that Xp mismanages your hardware in the worst way possible. But on the flip side, you will have already encountered all these problems and probably consider thit all to be normal.

Hope this helps ya.
post #52 of 59
agreed time to bring the cock fight to an end,

I am going to try this, I have used alot of computers, with alot of OSs, from OS 8, from Window 95, and from Red Hat 8,

Trust me when i say this, SP2 does not crash more then OS X, (i have no comment on the original XP) but what make so many people complain is the spyware/adware/viruses, it really messes up windows, but MS antispy does a good job of getting ride of that, and some good antivirus software, plus some common sense is need. Also If you are getting OS X for stabilty, you will also get a stable OS as well, but you get limited customizing, that is its draw back, and to this day some websites do not support apples, also hardware/software is less, but some would say the stuff that makes it to OS X is better.

What really make a os more or less stable then the next is actually something that no one can predict, the user, some people cause XP to crash like nothing else (my dad) but the same person will just hums along under linux (trust me i was shocked). my friend she thinks she know alittle something about unix, but in her free time has managed to crash to 2 red hat boxes and one solaris (that is almost impossible if you were wondering), her roomate, has a mac family and break macs like nothing else, it great, she got a dell, and has been happier. Some people just tend toward an OS, if you capable enough they will all do you good. so enough on that.

all three of the OS listed above are capable of running the programs you need, it is up to you not break them.

(no flames please this is just my view, you have all posted your, and i have said nothing to retort)

as for the hardware, the new 700 has the GMA(i think), so graphic between a 12inch PB and the 700 is a wash, you won't be playing any real games on either, well not beyond warcraft 3.

the screen on the dell is nicer, but i am partial to the glossy kind, the PB screen is not bad, it is nice, and very few of either screen get dead pixels.

both company have decent tech support, apples may a bit better on the customer service side, but dell is more likely to allow you to upgrade parts, my friend does it all the time. apple is not really cool with it.

the PB makes much less noise the the dell, apple are more complete, they are created by the same people, so they seem a tighter package, but both are very quiet, the harddrive on the 700 is a bit noisey, but that is it.

the dells speakers are nicer, although that does not say much, but the PBs do really suck.

the dell is faster, much faster, nothing more that can be said, but in apples favor, there os is designed to run on ther hardware, so it is config'd the right was, and they seem fast

the PB gets bettery battery life on the standard battery, the dell has a "big battery" which turns the tables, but it sticks out of the back of the laptop.

the PB is great looking, cooler looking then the dell, but some people like the dell look

apple will be switching to intel in 2006, but windows is switching to 64 bit now, they will both have decent software support for a while, and are both equally obsolete

the keyboards are the same size (about), the PB's seems firmer, but nothing is really wrong with the dell's

slot load drives are really cool, but some of the are known to damage CDs

the PB is thinner, the dell over all size is smaller,

hope that helps
post #53 of 59
Thread Starter 
blinksilver, that's really helpful. my school has special discounts for macintosh machines, besides I am into the looks of them. I might go with the apple but I have another question in mind: can I run programs like soulseek/kazaa/msn with macintosh?
post #54 of 59
Thread Starter 
guys?
post #55 of 59
Those programmes aren't available for Mac, however, you can run Limewire, Acquisition, Poisoned, and there are several Bit Torrent clients for Mac as well—I personally prefer Azureus.
post #56 of 59
People still use Kazza!?!!!??!???

Azerus is prolly the best Bittorrent Client...

And at the risk of starting another OS War I will say no more...
post #57 of 59
Thread Starter 
also, I just read somewhere that powerbooks get extremely hot, hot enough to be uncomfortable on your lap. is that correct?
post #58 of 59
yup, the powerbook will get hot but not that extremely. it will make it uncomfortable on your lap. I sold my 12" powerbook and bought myself a 700m during the dell's 750 coupon. 700m screen is so much better then the pbook.
post #59 of 59
My powerbook idles at around 106-110 degrees F and on full bore around 140-141. On Full bore it can be uncomfortable, but just a thin piece of fabric between the computer and my leg is more than enough to make using it on my lap fine.

These temperatures are comparable to Pentium M systems.
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