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post #21 of 63
7/6/05 at 7:23pm
The 9880 can be bought with the QuadroFX 1400 =X
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post #22 of 63
7/6/05 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by drevux
The 9880 can be bought with the QuadroFX 1400 =X
Indeed..

I guess I wasn't thinking of the CPU differences between the 9880 & XPS2...I'm sure there are many 'number crunching' type apps where the 9880 shines.. but as far as gfx intensive things one may be slightly better than the other but they should be close...

One may be slightly better as a space heater in the colder months too..
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post #23 of 63
7/7/05 at 12:54am
quite simple actually.

Majority of serious apps, are multithread. Any major modeling and graph work, video and geometry based design platforms are multithread. Heck, divx is multithread. Thats the pentium 770's weakness. Its a great chip nonetheless.

thats why you get such a battery life,.

The 9880 is a true dtr, or portable workstation. Anyone that has one can agree with me by simply opening the bisoncap and start recording,open windvd with any movie, open wmp with any mpgfile,open sonicstage with mp3's, burn a cd/dvd with 2nd opticdrive,open a webpage and finally run bf2 on singleplayer. No slowdowns?nope.

say you get 2 hrs of dvd playback on a dell, I can do the same...just powering down the gpu and turning my power schemes to portable. I would also shutdown any thread/service that doesnt need to be active such as my wlan & flash memory device. The only thing that would reduce my batt time that i cant config is the 5 speakers.

So it is do-able.

The choice of what to cop depends on your needs.
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post #24 of 63
7/7/05 at 1:40am
Wow...that would be impressive, but I highly doubt you could get even close to 2 hours battery life no matter what processes you shut down. The Pentium 4 is just too inefficient when it comes to power. It uses 50% more power than the Pentium M at idle, and 80% more power under load. The new P4s that you guys have do incorporate Speedstep technology, which clocks down the CPU whenever possible, but only to 2.8Ghz. The PM clocks down to 600-800Mhz depending on the model. The peak power consumption is also quite different...the P4 puts out a maximum of 115 watts compared to a max of 27 on the PM.

There is an interesting article on Toms Hardware where I got this info:

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050525/index.html

The conclusion states that the P4 dominates encoding and rendering because of HT and/or SSE3...but doesn't paint a very bright future for the P4 chip.

Anyways...comparing CPUs is a whole other can of worms...but my point is I don't believe you can squeeze 2 hours out of a 9880. Wizard...will you try this with your 9880? You seem pretty impartial
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post #25 of 63
7/7/05 at 3:26am
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Originally Posted by ITSN2005
The conclusion states that the P4 dominates encoding and rendering because of HT and/or SSE3...but doesn't paint a very bright future for the P4 chip.
any and every single core chip has a dim to non-existent future.
Im close to finishing a desktop with a x2-matter of fact theyre sold out at newegg right now(the highest clocked one at least).
So the dual cores are taking over without a question, look at game consoles going the same route.
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post #26 of 63
7/7/05 at 11:08am
You have a point there...dual core is definitely going to make everything obsolete. But in terms of mobile computing, the P4 is quickly going the way of the dodo. I'd imagine that when dual-core processors come to mobile computing they'll have to be built with the efficiency of the PM. Could you imagine a dual core laptop with 2 P4 660 CPUs?? You'd probably need a 300+ watt power brick and carry the battery in a separate backpack.

I'm interested to see what you can do with this desktop rig you're building. What are the specs?
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post #27 of 63
7/7/05 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by ITSN2005
You have a point there...dual core is definitely going to make everything obsolete.
Uuum... I believe OUTDATED is the word you're looking for... not obsolete.
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post #28 of 63
7/7/05 at 12:09pm
Athlon 64 X2 @ 2.4GHz
2 x 1MB L2 Cache
MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, 3DNOW! Professional
90 nm
1.35-1.4V
150gigs for raid0 @10000rpm
150 gig for backup
300 for storage
300 external hd for storage backup with 1394 interface
pairing it with
xfx 7800gtx running on sli
Im still deciding what mb to get, since what i want is not directly available(4 gig ram,raid0+1, pcie16x3,1000mbpslan,8audiochannels,1394).
custom case.
Dont know which monitor...maybe sony 23 or 32 inch, from sony square in nyc.

I really dont wanna have to do dramatic cooling on it, but the way its looking it seems i may have to if i cant get a mb with everyhing integrated.
On the other hand if i get a plain 939nforce sli mb with the add ons seperate, i wont lose all the addons if my mb dies.

decisions,decisions hopefully something that suits my needs will be available,by the time i receive thex2...its on back order.
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post #29 of 63
7/7/05 at 12:59pm
Outdated = obsolete in the computer world, IMO...lol

2guns...that's a sick system dude...with the dual cores coming out, my eye has turned back to desktops a bit again...after selling my 6 month old system for less than half of what I paid for it
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post #30 of 63
7/7/05 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by ITSN2005
after selling my 6 month old system for less than half of what I paid for it
I feel your pain, bro.

about 9 weeks ago i was trying to unload my complete year old system, which cost me roughly6500.

My mission was to get at least 1700 for it. Everytime i got a call for the system i never got an offer over 800. Mind you the case was sleek, with six fans and a 6800gt running on a x16 slot. The machine was no louder than a faint hum when playing a game. +the samsung 19incher looked brand new, I mean i take care of my shit...and as soon as i see a stain on anything (in this case fingerprints) i buff it out with microfiber.

After unsuccesful attempts at gathering back some of the money i spent on it, I traded it to a close friend of mine for a favor i asked of him.

At least a close friend of mine gets good use of it, and that falls into my perception better than selling the rig for a fifth of the cost to a stranger.
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post #31 of 63
7/7/05 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by ITSN2005
Outdated = obsolete in the computer world, IMO...lol

2guns...that's a sick system dude...with the dual cores coming out, my eye has turned back to desktops a bit again...after selling my 6 month old system for less than half of what I paid for it
yeah that guys a herb, he just left me a little message.he should stay in the offtopic with the rest of his little girlfriends. The size of their mouths is far bigger than their iq
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post #32 of 63
7/7/05 at 3:10pm
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who the hell are you? money talks in this area....so keep walking,lowclassfag-AMBItions2popGUNZ
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post #33 of 63
7/7/05 at 3:43pm
they have to find another way to cool laptops. Water cool or something.That's what's wrong. The p4 is a good cpu.Most of us are just playing games so we don't need dual core.these video cards are just getting faster and faster so that means the hotter they will get the fan system that we use is obsolete.So someone out there needs to invent a new cooling system for notebook computers.The heat in these laptop are starting to become a real problem.
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post #34 of 63
7/7/05 at 3:47pm
Damn 2gunz...you don't care much for trolls hey?

Anyways, back to the current topic of discussion...you paid $6500 for your last PC? You must've got all bleeding edge components at the time. Buying computers is a no-win situation man. I should've done the same thing as you and just given my PC to a friend who could've used it instead of selling off the parts at less than half the paid price. Shit, I still have a case, keyboard, mouse/keyboard, DVD RW left over...who knows when I'll get rid of those.

Ok...back to the original thread topic of the XPS2 and the 9880. I was checking out the specs of the Sager and there's a hell of a lot more stuff on the 9880 than the XPS2. You have 4 speakers and a sub as well as an integrated card reader? I wish those came with the XPS2...among other things...but then it wouldn't be so svelte in comparison.

Any luck overclocking that beast? Looks like Speed got over 6100 overclocking his...I have heard of some XPS2s reaching 6300...which is bloody unbelievable
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post #35 of 63
7/7/05 at 3:55pm
Water cooling works for desktops, but the problem is they are very bulky and space is at a premium in lappys of course. I agree the P4 is a good chip, but it needs space to breathe. I read it lacks an integrated heat spreader so it's not as efficient at shedding heat. The Sagers come with Arctic Silver compound, but they still run really hot. At least if it's cold you can cuddle with the 9880 and it will keep you nice 'n toasty.

I wonder if you could somehow showhorn a liquid nitrogen reservoir with a pump to supercool the P4?

Better yet, just build the Pentium M with SSE3 and Hyperthreading so it will put the P4 to rest for good in the mobile world.
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post #36 of 63
7/7/05 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by ITSN2005
You have 4 speakers and a sub as well as an integrated card reader? I wish those came with the XPS2...
Might want to double check the speakers on the XPS, and it does have SD card reader built in. I was just checking out a 9880 on pctorque and am not seeing all this extra stuff that the 9880 comes with that you refer to.

Oh, and my stock 3d05 score is 5300+. OP got a lemon I guess.
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post #37 of 63
7/7/05 at 5:03pm
The XPS2 has 2 speakers in the front and a small subwoofer underneath, but doesn't have 7.1 audio like the 9880. Not that the sound isn't good on the Dell...it's a HELLUVA lot better than any laptop I've used before.

Here's the 9880 specs:

http://www.pctorque.com/sager-9880-gaming-computers.php

You'll see 7-1 card reader and 4 speakers listed there...they might have different configs.
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post #38 of 63
7/7/05 at 6:22pm
also comes with built in camera. dj audio etc.etc...

did i mention their support is great?

They just released a bios update so we can can put the fans on full blast!!
So now Im able to toggle it to full when i do game sessions or heavy apps, and toggle back to normal during normal apps. Very resourceful support!!

What you said before about selling the equipment for a fraction of its value, really bothered me. So I did what any logical, generous person would do. I see now you have to pay someone to get the parts off your shelves. It sucks that the face value is undermined with a knockout punch. I mean, would you accept 150 for a 6800gt you bought for 500?
Granted its 1 year later...but oh well.
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post #39 of 63
7/8/05 at 4:20am
I learned my lesson, never argue against a laptop in that laptop's particular forum since...
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post #40 of 63
7/8/05 at 4:56am
Yeah they got an extra feature ... it serves as a toaster.

XPS 2 aint got $hit on that.
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