AMD Files Antitrust Complaint Against Intel In U.S. Federal District Court - Page 2

I hope Intel destroys AMD just so that the stupid lawsuits will stop for a while. I don't hate AMD, but if I had to choose, I would take Intel. Yeah, I'm old fashioned, but I don't care. I don't do much gaming, so AMD doesn't really have an advantage for me. I respect people that really like AMD, though.

Anyway, I would be pissed if Dell started offering AMD. This would make Intel angry, which means no more discounted processors for Dell, which means no more discounted computers for the consumers, which means even less computers for me. (Not that I have a lot right now, but I'm looking ahead in the future.) If Dell does offer AMD, they should figure something out with Intel and they should only offer it on the XPS systems.

Thats what I like about Dell/Intel. Dell gets a special deal, though some call it bribes, on stuff. So Dell can turn around and charge us less. Anyone else wonder why people are getting 9300s for $1200 and why Alienware 7700s are costing $2500? hmmmmm

AMD is full of it. They didn't want to file the lawsuit before the 64 bit processors, now just want to drag all the attention as they gained the fastest cpu status as single and dual core. Their prices gone to the roofs for the top ends and some intel processors performing 10% less cost couple bills less. Sure is nice to have a 64 bit architecture that nobody uses yet or have that extra 10% perfomance, but not all of us can take advantage of it. I will go clearly with whoever offers the best perfomance price ratio, like i did during the athlon xp. Now i stick with intel as they have better price ratio perfomance. Regardless of who wins i hope prices drops because lately for the top ends prices past the 1k mark. And entry levels are getting more expensive too.

AWS, you're missing the point. AMD had to wait to file, until their 64-bit CPUs showed themselves to be clearly superior to Intel's offerings, so that nobody could accuse them of just being whiners. If AMD had a mediocre or inferior product, nobody would think their small market share was evidence of anything wrong. But since it's clear now that their product is superior, and they're getting design wins all across the industry, that makes it clear that it's not their own fault. AMD has executed successfully on their designs and plans, something external is holding them back, and that something is Intel's underhanded practices.

For freakfordell

with due respect let me tell you that its not just gaming that amd beats the hell out of intel. Intel is beaten fair and square at all milestones.About dell there have lately been too many returns due to defects in the notebooks and desktops. remember that amd has had to raise the prices to cover the costs incurred by spansion memory unit that is making losses. Amd is still better and costs less. If amd is gone intel will charge 2000Bucks just for a celeron as there will be no competition.

to michael X30
yeah alienware are costing more because they are more high tech and better quality and dont take bribes from intel to offset their costs.Again alienware quality is far better than dell . Dell is now not what it used to be.

To Aws
64 bit is not a new edition of windows like xp and millenium. It can be termed as a new os altogather. secondly it is not important whether 64 bit is released and important or not. What is important to note is that intel held up 64 bit for more than a year just because they were to lazy and didnt have the courage to beat amd at the 64 bit technology. I as a consumer demand the latest and the best available. Intel ceratinly doesnt meet that criteria.

hence I go wit amd and suggest you do the same.

conlusion : time and again Intel sucks . its is explicitly prices and still beaten by amd fair and square at all benchmarks.

I hope AMD wins. If I had a choice, I'd take an AMD Turion powered laptop over an Intel one any day.

Even though the Pentium M performs better in gaming and consumes less power?

devarshi84, I see your point. I guess a little competition is good, but I still hope Intel wins.

NO centrino lost its battle when the 8104 was compared to ferrari 4000.

Badly. Yeah the battery life is still centrino's forte . BUt that is until amd releases 25w turion notebooks. Centrino will be eaten alive.

About any1 winning d case. I dont care as long as i get the best stuff in the market at competititve prices.

Freak4Dell, AWS:

AMD's not going to get trashed by Dell. Face it. And If you get mad because Dell starts using AMD processors and loses the Intel discount, it's not because you're old-fashioned, it's because you're resistant to anything that changes your status quo. AMD has been making processors since the original Intel-IBM deal, in which IBM required a reliable second-source provider of CPUs.

Furthermore, Intel's offerings as of late have consistently lagged behind AMDs offerings, as evidenced by reputable comparison tests. I know someone will bring up the Tom's Hardware test - but it was not only flawed, they changed the testing procedures halfway through when they realized the Intel chip was getting its arse handed to it.

Whan a company uses its position as the undisputer market share leader to freeze out its competitors, that is a violation of antitrust law. When Japan and the EU either have or are about to crack down on Intel for similar actions in their respective regions, you have a systematic pattern of behavior that will be applicable in this case because it establishes a pattern of bahavior on the part of Intel. I hope Intel loses this case, because it is only with real competition that prices will decrease across the board.

But Intel will have to sell the P-Ms cheaper to actually sell them since AMD sells their stuff significantly cheaper than Intel. In that scenario they'd make even less profit than they do now, which is why they did the strong-arming and bribing.

Personally I hope AMD wins. They have an equal, if not better (in many situations), product than Intel and sell it cheaper. On the desktop scene AMDs are better for gaming, are cheaper, offer more bang for your buck, and run wayyy cooler than P4s (look at the Venice core!), yet Intel still dominates that market.

Man, this has gotten old. It's turned into something like every other AMD vs. Intel fight. I'm tired of it. I like Intel, so call me stupid, but I do. Some people like AMD, so call them stupid, but they still do. This stuff proves nothing.

What "proves nothing"? The fact that the Japanese FTC has already found Intel guilty of such actions? The fact that the EU is about to do the same thing? What about the fact that Intel uses its position as a market leader to offer discounts that AMD can't possibly compete with? What about the fact that Intel's actions present an inherent barrier to fair and equal competition between the two companies? If that proves nothing, then I have some oceanfront property in Colorado I'd like to sell you...

Tntoak... freak was making a 'white-flag' move in an arguement. He realized the fight will never be over (smarter than you guys) and threw in the towel. What you posted incites another dumb arguement. Give up.

This thread should be for the discussion of the business practices of AMD and Intel and the lawsuit, not how one product are better than the other.

Reread my post, then comment - I commented on the business practices, as well as how other entities have viewed said business practices. If you had actually read my post, you would have known that.

Thanks for contradicting yourself in your post, BTW. If the thread is supposed to be about the business practices (which is EXACTLY what I addressed), then how does addressing the purpose of the thread incite "another dumb argument"? Either I spoke to the core of the thread , or you think that even the main argument is dumb, which contradicts your attempt to scold me in your previous post.

I've read through the post and it is still coming off as being a dick. Just play nice is all I'm asking... and if you can develop ideas that'd be awesome because I'd like to see how this comes out as well as all circumstances surrounding the case.

Then you didn't comprehend the post. When Japan and the EU have both come to similar conclusions reragding Intel's practices as what AMD is alluding to in the complaint, why it is pointless? When the former CEO of Compaq, as well as Gateway's current CEO, have gone on record as stating that Intel effectively set max quotas regarding how many AMD PCs they could sell, how is that discussion pointless? Intel has abused its position to artificially limit the impact AMD could have upon the market. In my book, that's a deliberate abuse of market position.

If AMD has a valid claim in which they do in this case, they should pursue legal action. If Intel is using such tactics they should lose thier predominate market share or at the very least a large portion of it. If Intel wins and competition is reduced or eliminated in the market, Intel can make any piece of shit and throw it together and charge a fortune. The end result is the technological advance made by healthy competition come to a schreeching halt. Offering a discount to major manufactures is one thing, but withholding chips and backing out of launch dates of new cpus because your also going to carry the competition out of fear of several retalitory tatics is down right wrong moralily and legaly, and in the end the comsumer is the only one that is going to be screwed. In this case it is AMD initiating the lawsuit, however if the tables were turned and it was Intel intiating the lawsuit my opions about enforcing fair business practices would not change.

I think AMD should start up a donation center for people to help with legal costs. I'd kick in a few bucks to see them take down Intel

Steeeeve - just buy an FX or X2. Anyone paying those prices is surely donating free money to AMD....

Actually, they just keep AMD afloat. Poor AMD has a hard time competing with Intel....Thus the lawsuit. AMD has 5billion a year in revenue with 8000 employees while Intel has 35 billion in revenue with 88,000 employees. AMD just sinks all of its money into trying to make a cheaper better product while Intel can afford to pay people off.