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post #21 of 34
7/2/05 at 2:43am
Yeah, your right k25anova51.

But seriously Haligan, get the P-M. It will mean you are prepared for doing more in the future, and it will just be a better experience. (i mean, it won't frustrate you because things are slow) Just make sure you get minimum of 512Mb RAM, either way.
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post #22 of 34
7/4/05 at 10:10pm
>>Also I have a friend that ordered a desktop from Dell and he registered as a >>buisness and used his SS# as a tax id. Is that ok to do that?

With respect to your tax question anytime you cheat the government out, it's NOT legal. Do I care? No, but I'm just answering your question. Technically your friends business has to be related to IT/ computers, etc to get tax exemption, then when He sells your laptop to you he would collect the tax and forward it to the state.

In theory.
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post #23 of 34
7/4/05 at 11:24pm
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Originally Posted by sorienor
most of the information I have come accross says there is little difference between the P-M and Celeron-M. I can't find the info right now though to link it.

Cache isn't that big of deal on Intel processors...larger cache means more latency and not much improvement. Just like there is no preformance gain of the 2mb cache in the 6xx sequence over the 1mb cache of the 5xx sequence desktop cpu's.
Cache makes a big difference... try comparing similarly matched Celeron-M and Pentium-M processors if you don't believe me. Anyways, there are some who have speculated that the desktop Celerons are basically Pentiums with crippled cache. I'm betting that the mobile counterparts are more or less the same...
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post #24 of 34
7/5/05 at 12:14am
I don't care if you can afford it or not. Unless you plan to do nothing but word-processing and internet e-mail, don't get the Pentium M. Heck, sometimes, I think the Celeron has a hard time handling internet, especially if you're like me and run Firefox with a bunch of tabs open.
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post #25 of 34
7/5/05 at 1:00am
Yeah, if you do heavy web surfing (ie. have lots of windows/tabs open) a Celeron M wouldn't be very good.

I know with just the web surfing I do (Without the other apps), a Celeron would be too slow for me.
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post #26 of 34
7/5/05 at 6:32am
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Originally Posted by Freak4Dell
I don't care if you can afford it or not. Unless you plan to do nothing but word-processing and internet e-mail, don't get the Pentium M. Heck, sometimes, I think the Celeron has a hard time handling internet, especially if you're like me and run Firefox with a bunch of tabs open.
i think when you buy a laptop, or anything for that matter, that is up there in price, whther you can afford it or not, you still want it to be as "future-proof" as possible. something that won't be outdated as fast and need to be replaced. i know it's inevitable, but it can be delayed
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post #27 of 34
7/5/05 at 8:26am
Yep. I find its better to pay a little more now as it will save me in the long run.
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post #28 of 34
7/5/05 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by AWS
if you have the money for a mercedes get a mercedes if not get a kia, same applies to processors. Tho' the celeron acomplish very well the basic tasks as long as you don't go gamming or productivity. Office and home use is more than adequate. tho' i use a pentium m anyways. Just don't like the idea of using a factory reject cpu
Mercedes have horrible realibility fyi.
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post #29 of 34
7/5/05 at 12:31pm
If you have the money for a BMW, get the BMW. If not, get a Kia.

There, it's solved. Now stop complaining about it.
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post #30 of 34
7/5/05 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by RelaxGuy
The Celeron-M is essentially a pentium-m with half the L2 cache and no speedstep
CORRECT!

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Originally Posted by RelaxGuy
A celeron is based on a p4, not a pentium-m
ABSOLUTLY FALSE!!!

The new Celeron M uses the exact same core as the Pentium M. In fact it actually has 2 MB of cache on die but 1 MB is permanetly disabled. It also has the speedstep circuitry on die however it is also permanetly disabled. And NO it can't be re-enabled so don't ask.

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Originally Posted by MitchellO
Just don't like the idea of using a factory reject cpu.

Thats basically what the Celerons are aren't they? They couldn't go a certain speed so they clock them lower and disable/remove the extra cache.
NO! see above. The extra 1 MB of L2 cache and the speedstep unit are factory disabled during manufacturing of the CPU die. They are not Pentium M rejects.


For someone that doesn't require much mobility the Celeron M is a perfectly viable choice. The Celeron M is a much better alternative then the former P4 based Celerons as it doesn't have a crippled FSB as the P4 based Celerons did. It uses the same FSB as the Pentium M. Yes there will be a performance hit do to only having half the cache of the Pentium M but many people feel the performance hit and battery life hit is justified by the lower price.

Martian
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post #31 of 34
7/5/05 at 4:56pm
I have a P4 in my desktop and an M in the lappy. The lappy scares me sometimes, as its almost as fast as the desktop. M's are worth the $$$
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post #32 of 34
7/5/05 at 5:07pm
Though the Celeron-M has only 1 MB of L2 cache, the performance difference vs. Pentium-M isn't that much, if they're both at the same clock speed. For some reason, cache is not as big a deal in notebooks as in desktop processors. I read this somewhere in Tom's Hardware Guide.
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post #33 of 34
7/5/05 at 5:20pm
Celeron-M are basically the same as the P-M Banias.

The only reason why most people stay away from celerons because the older models were way slower then the newer models.
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post #34 of 34
7/5/05 at 7:41pm
Yeah, the new ones are better, but they still aren't as good.

It really comes down to what you can afford. If you can't afford the Pentium M, you can't! The Celeron M will do it for the basics, but don't expect much more.
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