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Is WUXGA with 25ms response time worth it (Amilo M3438G vs. Amilo M4438G)?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Okey, so I have been trying to compare these two notebooks from Fujitsu-Siemens, Amilo M3438G and Amilo M4438G, to try to find out which one would suit me better. Ever since my number one DTR-notebook-choice, Acer TM8104, got out of the way after I heard F-S was releasing these kinds of noteoooks, I have been really looking forward fot these new Amilos. I need a notebook for 50% typing and surfing, 35% dvds and games, and 15% for music and photo editiing, and Amilo M3438/4438 certainly have all the features I need.

The only problem is which model to choose. The main difference between M3438G and M4438G is the display. M3438G has a WXGA+ display (1440x900) and M4438G has a WUXGA display (1920x1200) and apparently HDTV-ready. Today, I found out that M3438G has a response time of 16ms, and M4438G 25ms.

If we look at gaming, M3438G seems to be the better choice. While I know that long resonse time like 25ms (M4438G) does not necessarily mean that the display has ghosting and other effects that ruin gaming experiences, 25ms is still 25ms. Adding to that, with M4438G you won't be able to play newest games in its native WUXGA resolution. You must scale down which has an effect to the picture making it worse. When you combine the long response time and the fact that you have to run programs in a non-native resolution, you have to ask yourself whether M4438G is really worth it.

This problem could be solved just by comparing the two notebooks. Easier said than done. In my country of Finland they probably won't be even selling the M4438G at all. I could buy it from Sweden or Germany, but why go through that extra trouble if the display isn't that good. If I bought M4438G I'd also have to buy an OS as well since the language is country-specific.

On the other hand, I read a display-shootout review a year ago where they were testing 19" lcd-monitors for gaming purposes. They all cost like 300-600 dollars and all featured 12ms response time. The winner of this test was Samsung. However, the reviewer had included a more expensive Eizo lcd-display to the test for comparison-purposes. This Eizo featured 25ms (or was it 20ms) response time and cost a little under 1000 dollars. The reviewer said that he'd choose Eizo for gaming purposes because while there were a little less ghosting in Samsung due to low response time, Eizo had a way better picture and ghosting was almost non-existant.

Okay, but let's think again. M3438G and M4438G have displays from the same manufacturer. So while M4438G with its WUXGA is more high-end you can't compare the two like Samsung and Eizo. WUXGA is more sharper than WXGA+ but does this mean that WUXGA is better in other areas. So couldn't you say that if F-S M3438G has a response time of 16ms and M4438G 25ms, then M4438G features probably more ghosting than M3438G.

I leave you with this question: If you were me which one would you choose, M3438G or M4438G. Bare in mind the following facts: 1) I won't be buying another computer until 5-8 years from now 2) I'd game 1-3 hours a week 3) I might be buying an external HD-DVD or Blue-Ray Drive in the future 4) M4438G is not available in my country, so I'd have to buy 200-400 dollars extra so that I can buy it from another country (a new OS, shipping costs, taxes) 5) M3438G is sold in my country and is easy to get.

And the end of the day, the main question is this: Is WUXGA so unreplaceable that you can't watch dvds, hd-dvds or blue-rays with anything less (WXGA+)? Because if the answer is yes then maybe I have to just do with the long response time and effects to games...
post #2 of 12
WUXGA is the best screen, you'll love it. If you got with the WXGA, you'll be kicking yourself because watching DVD's and playing video games on that really suck.
post #3 of 12
"watching DVD's and playing video games on that (WXGA) really suck."

Eh, really suck?

Let's forget that the question was about a WXGA+ anyway...but "really suck"...

Please elaborate

post #4 of 12
I don't see how it could suck. The resolution of a DVD is far lower than that anyway. DVDs also look good on my monitor at 1280x1024.
post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by madmike23
WUXGA is the best screen, you'll love it. If you got with the WXGA, you'll be kicking yourself because watching DVD's and playing video games on that really suck.
I agree that watching dvds with WUXGA is great but come on, you know we're talking about laptops. If I have to survive with this notebook for 5-8 years how many years do you think I can play in WUXGA before the laptop has no more power to sustain such heavy graphics. I heard that you can play Half-Life 2 (which I'll be playing the most out of all games) in WUXGA but playing Doom3 in WUXGA, no way, not without bringing every effect down.

Also, actually I do have my own home theatre equipment and would watch dvds from my laptop only occasionally. Have I just answered my own question?

But going back to my original question, please give my your opinios (some more)...

Right now, M3438G with WXGA+ (1440x900) seems the better choice for me. What do you think? By the way, Alienware who makes high-end laptops does not even sell WUXGA models. What does that tell you? However, Dell XPS Gen2 does feature a WUXGA screen but on the other hand we all know about Dell and its WUXGA screens...
post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 
I wanted to compare M4438G's display specs to another notebook's display, especially to a notebook that is a great gaming notebook. Well, almost everybody thinks of Dell XPS Gen2 as a great gaming notebook and it has a 17" WUXGA display. I tried to find the response time of this display and it was difficult but I managed to find in some forum: XPS Gen2's display is by Samsung and the response time is the same as M4438G's response time: 25 ms. So in that respect, 25ms can't be all bad even if some displays nowadays have as low as 4ms response time.

So surpise surprise, M4438G is back in the race again.
post #7 of 12
The screen resolution makes no difference when viewing DVDs. PAL DVDs have a resolution of 720 x 576, or just under SVGA. If playing games the picture quality won't be worse downconverting to less than WUXGA either, at least not enough to notice.

Where WUXGA is most valuable is everything except games and DVD. Word processing, spreadsheets, surfing, Photoshop, video editing etc are much more pleasant with the added sharpness and screen real estate. HDTV is spectacular, when you can find it.

Cheers

Steve
post #8 of 12
Take the WUXGA!! In my wxga the response time is 8/25ms and its not that bad - u will get used to it I am also considering buying the FS but in my country they dont offer the M4438, ther is only the M3438 model with WXGA - so my problem is solved
post #9 of 12
I can game fine on my 25ms Samsung panel. The most noticable ghosting is in cartoons or anything with flat shades moving, a more random distribution of pixel-colors (like textures) handles ghosting much better than flat shades.
post #10 of 12
My old Sager 5670 has a 25ms LG/IBM panel and it is really really nice. No ghosting in movies or games. Not even in UT2004 or CS:S, and none in Fight Club, The Matrix, Speed, or The Transporter.
post #11 of 12
The 25ms 12ms 13ms 18ms WHATEVER are just manufacturers claims, which, as real benchmarks show, have little to do with real timings. As far as I know, FS and HP's claims are closer to real life than those from, for example, Benq.
post #12 of 12
personally im going for the WXGA because i game a lot. remember you can always link it up to an external monitor or tv if you want it on a bigger screen...
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